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View Poll Results: Should the EPA be abolished?
Yes 23 16.67%
No 115 83.33%
Voters: 138. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-23-2018, 06:17 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Burning Rivers, unbreathable air, poison water, toxic dumps under developments, premature deaths due to illegal dumping..yeah,sure let's get back to those good old days.


Only if you're a fool.


If you are a fool move, move to Haiti, China or any number of countries that have no or little environmental laws, just stay away from my neighborhood and family.

Ya, let go to the extreme! That should prove you were right.

Of the developed industrialized nations in the TPP, the USA was well ahead of all others by a long shot, but was punished the most, because of our wealth.

Follow the money, when liberty is restricted and no harm done.
What "might happen", stifles innovation.
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Old 04-23-2018, 06:20 AM
 
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Ya, let go to the extreme! That should prove you were right.

Of the developed industrialized nations in the TPP, the USA was well ahead of all others by a long shot, but was punished the most, because of our wealth.

Follow the money, when liberty is restricted and no harm done.
What "might happen", stifles innovation.
The U.S. is not "significantly ahead" of Australia, Canada, Japan, or New Zealand

I also think it's a stretch to claim that the TPP is relevant to this discussion
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Old 04-23-2018, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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Abolish the EPA because the Toobigtosue corporation wants to **** where you eat.
Abolish the Department of Energy because the rich suburbs won't be fracked and they don't use your ground water.
The rich want us as dumb as a bag of hammers, so private school educated Betsy DeVos was appointed Secretary of Education.

Read Dark Money. It explains the rich people's plan for America.
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Old 04-23-2018, 06:26 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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No just Scott Pruitt.
And we have a winner.
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Old 04-23-2018, 06:29 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Abolish the EPA because the Toobigtosue corporation wants to **** where you eat.
Abolish the Department of Energy because the rich suburbs won't be fracked and they don't use your ground water.
The rich want us as dumb as a bag of hammers, so private school educated Betsy DeVos was appointed Secretary of Education.

Read Dark Money. It explains the rich people's plan for America.

What part of the word restrictions, makes its way into upward mobility?
Instead of clearing pathways, our government dump trash in them to make it nearly impossible to travel.
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Old 04-23-2018, 06:52 AM
 
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Indeed, sometimes the water accumulates faster than it evaporates, and the result is your pond.

Sometimes that accumulation occurs in abnormal levels and there is overflow.
Nowhere for it to overflow. I would replenish it with my well water. Instead I let it go dry because the EPA got stupid over it.
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Old 04-23-2018, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Ya, let go to the extreme! That should prove you were right.

Of the developed industrialized nations in the TPP, the USA was well ahead of all others by a long shot, but was punished the most, because of our wealth.

Follow the money, when liberty is restricted and no harm done.
What "might happen", stifles innovation.
Don't you know? Republicans want dirty air, and dirty water, especially for themselves and their kids. The Left loves to argue in ABSURD extremes, which just makes them look bad.
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Old 04-23-2018, 07:38 AM
 
Location: My House
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Every state has their version of the EPA, which is redundant as they are mostly modeled after the Federal EPA. I don't think the EPA should be abolished, but I do think they've used the Clean Air, and Water Act to be too punitive, and thus gives them way too much power. They need to be reigned in, and reduced in number. There are a lot of radicals that work there, and are anti business, and anti capitalist.
I think abolishing state agencies in favor of a federal one is fine, but environments don't hang around inside our arbitrarily-drawn state boundaries so we need a federal agency.
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Old 04-23-2018, 07:44 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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The EPA has usurped state's sovereignty, and the right's of citizens over their own land, in one case, fining a rancher who had built a pond on his own land. In other cases, they have declared privately owned land as "wet lands" limiting what the owner could do with it.

There are many examples of harm caused by the EPA to private industries and citizens.
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Old 04-23-2018, 07:46 AM
 
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What was their ORIGINAL justification to be created

I voted yes becuae as usual a program is started with good intentions then it grows and GROWS and pretty soon it is NOT doing what it was intended to do.

It has grown WAY beyond its original charter and has become WAY TOO politicized.

IMO, it should be evaluated by a non-political group.

Keep the programs deemed necessary, give them to another agency and close the agency
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