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Old 05-18-2018, 09:58 PM
 
Location: PSL
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No link, so we can't confirm he said that. Even if he did, the push in the American public is not "abolish guns", and we all know that.

The push is for some effort, any genuine effort, to come up with ideas and plans to improve the situation. Trump and company have utterly failed on that, and it will continue to be the heavy millstone around their necks that will sink them to the bottom.

All we see from Trump & Co. is finger-pointing, avoidance, and negligence. No attempts at solutions, no guts, no glory.
A good start would be to allow faculty to have their 2nd Amendment rights acknowledged in schools.
Big difference between mandatory and voluntary.

All Trump would have to do is delete or alter 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(25) so that school faculty may be armed to thwart the threat.

Can follow that by stopping the romanticizing the event and broadcasting every detail about it.

Motive. Incentive. Intent. Enabling outliers.
That's all that has to be addressed.
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Firstly I’m a leftist, in fact I’m a Marxist (anarcho-syndicalist). But state control of resources is not the answer.

People have a right to production and usage of tools (guns can be used to hunt and provide food, etc.) and regulations require a state enforcement power which will use their initiative of ending gun violence to abuse the working class.

The real problem is capitalism, rather than providing mental institutions (a base need for many people) they produce based off of market demand (which is artificial in nature) and ignore major deficiencies in our society.

If guns were produced based off of production needs instead of mass produced for maximizied profit we wouldn’t see any of the problems we see today.
You're in favor of gun control because you're in favor of a State in the form of a syndicate/union.

If the syndicate needed a gun in a pinch they have your blessing to confiscate guns from individuals.
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:04 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Yes they are. They are produced based off of market demand which is manipulated by marketing, geopolitics, and supply.

As a profit based production model gun sellers need a demand for their supply. If production was based off of production needs the culture and user-ship of guns would be different.
Really. Such a free market, I am not the only one that demands a full auto.

Yet I can't go in and buy one new off the shelf.
Nor can anyone else.

There is high demand for full auto. And very limited restricted supply.
If firearms were a truly free market we in demand, would have what we want...
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:07 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Thoreau424 View Post
No link, so we can't confirm he said that. Even if he did, the push in the American public is not "abolish guns", and we all know that.

The push is for some effort, any genuine effort, to come up with ideas and plans to improve the situation. Trump and company have utterly failed on that, and it will continue to be the heavy millstone around their necks that will sink them to the bottom.

All we see from Trump & Co. is finger-pointing, avoidance, and negligence. No attempts at solutions, no guts, no glory.
Hugh Downs quote: I sympathize with people who want to ban guns, but...

And a deeper dive:

EDITORIAL BY HUGH DOWNS

And, BTW, what did obuma, Bush, Clinton or Bush do?

Just askin!
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:08 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Winterfall8324 View Post
Firstly I’m a leftist, in fact I’m a Marxist (anarcho-syndicalist). But state control of resources is not the answer.

People have a right to production and usage of tools (guns can be used to hunt and provide food, etc.) and regulations require a state enforcement power which will use their initiative of ending gun violence to abuse the working class.

The real problem is capitalism, rather than providing mental institutions (a base need for many people) they produce based off of market demand (which is artificial in nature) and ignore major deficiencies in our society.

If guns were produced based off of production needs instead of mass produced for maximizied profit we wouldn’t see any of the problems we see today.
Who hunts for food in this day and age. Don’t they have grocery stores.
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:09 PM
 
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A good start would be to allow faculty to have their 2nd Amendment rights acknowledged in schools.
Big difference between mandatory and voluntary.

All Trump would have to do is delete or alter 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(25) so that school faculty may be armed to thwart the threat.

Can follow that by stopping the romanticizing the event and broadcasting every detail about it.

Motive. Incentive. Intent. Enabling outliers.
That's all that has to be addressed.
Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Who hunts for food in this day and age. Don’t they have grocery stores.
I hunt for deals on Amazon.

No camouflage needed.
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:15 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Who hunts for food in this day and age. Don’t they have grocery stores.
I do.

Cheaper than a grocery store. Get more meat for much less.
Plus there's a better variety that isn't pumped up with hormones and anti biotics.

If deer down here weren't the size of fawns back in NY I'd still be hunting them.
That's the best meat ever. Venison and Prime Rib I could live off of Venison and Prime Rib.
Wild turkey tastes better than farm raised grocery store turkey.

I could go on with delicious animals in the wild that aren't stocked in your grocery stores...
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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Motive. Incentive. Intent. Enabling outliers.
That's all that has to be addressed.
Is that psychology? Are you trying to solve a problem with psychology?

We need real solutions, reached at by experts in many fields working together. Until that happens, we'll continue to see idleness and neglect by elected officials, and a continued body count at schools around the country...
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:19 PM
 
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A good start would be to allow faculty to have their 2nd Amendment rights acknowledged in schools.
Big difference between mandatory and voluntary.

All Trump would have to do is delete or alter 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(25) so that school faculty may be armed to thwart the threat.

Can follow that by stopping the romanticizing the event and broadcasting every detail about it.

Motive. Incentive. Intent. Enabling outliers.
That's all that has to be addressed.
Teachers are there to teach. And they don’t even get paid that much. They didn’t go into teaching to carry a gun. How about we address the real problem.....everyone is allowed to have a gun in this country no matter what. Guns have become more important than our children’s lives.
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