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Old 04-26-2018, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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That's not killing a life. Fetal homicide laws exist for a reason. Killing a fetus is murder. I have NO idea why anyone thinks it's OK for mothers to murder their own children, but illegal for anyone else to do so. I've already suggested it's hypocritical moral relativity.

That doesn't let state taxes off the hook. Forcing state taxpayers to pay for what would be considered murder if anyone but the child's own mother killed the fetus isn't Constitutional. Voluntary donations? Have at it. Compulsory subsidization? UnConstitutional. This needs to go to SCOTUS. There are already precedents.
YOUR opinion is abortion is "killing a life." That's not an opinion shared by everyone and they don't have to live according to your standards. I have no idea why you think you get to dictate beliefs to others but you don't.

 
Old 04-26-2018, 01:28 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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YOUR opinion is abortion is "killing a life."
No, my opinion is that killing a fetus is fetal homicide. Criminal law states the exact same thing, but for very twisted immoral reasons, considers it legal for a mother to kill the fetus, but murder if anyone else does it.
 
Old 04-26-2018, 01:31 PM
 
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From PP website: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/le...-abortion-pill

"Some government health insurance plans in certain states (like Medicaid) cover abortion, but others do not. "

So is PP lying???
It does not say Medicaid covers abortions.
 
Old 04-26-2018, 01:36 PM
 
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Indeed, they are. I posted the info.
What are the other circumstances?
 
Old 04-26-2018, 01:37 PM
 
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It does not say Medicaid covers abortions.
I posted a KFF link that does.
 
Old 04-26-2018, 01:38 PM
 
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What are the other circumstances?
They don't have to meet the strict requirements of the Hyde Amendment, and the KFF link states so.
 
Old 04-26-2018, 01:41 PM
 
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They don't have to meet the strict requirements of the Hyde Amendment, and the KFF link states so.
Go on elaborate. EXACTLY what are "the other circumstances". what are the strict requirements some states don't have to meet. Spell it out.
 
Old 04-26-2018, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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No, my opinion is that killing a fetus is fetal homicide. Criminal law states the exact same thing, but for very twisted immoral reasons, considers it legal for a mother to kill the fetus, but murder if anyone else does it.
Good. Stay true to your beliefs and don't have an abortion.

But try to force your beliefs on someone else? Nope. Not happening.
 
Old 04-26-2018, 01:44 PM
 
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Go on elaborate. EXACTLY what are "the other circumstances". what are the strict requirements some states don't have to meet. Spell it out.
"Therapeutic" abortions. That's how elective abortions are classified so private insurance or state Medicaid funds will pay for it.
 
Old 04-26-2018, 01:47 PM
 
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Good. Stay true to your beliefs and don't have an abortion.

But try to force your beliefs on someone else? Nope. Not happening.
I don't wish to force my beliefs on anyone else. Likewise, others shouldn't force their beliefs on me. If I don't want to fund elective murder, I shouldn't be compelled to do so.

Fund it with voluntary donations. Then my conscience is clear, and those who choose to commit a murder for which others would go to jail can live with that on their conscience.
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