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If a gay guy comes into the bar wearing a rainbow hat and is ejected. Can the bar owner say he's doing it for political reasons, not homophobia?
If a black dude comes in with a BLM cap, can the bar owner say he's ejecting him because of the hat, not race?
If a woman comes in with "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" T-shirt can the owner eject her for the shirt, not her gender?
Isn't same sex marriage a political position? Isn't race a political issue? Isn't gender equality a political issue? In fact isn't pretty much everything likely to cause offense likely a political issue of some kind (guns, parenting, education, housing, economics, employment, the list goes on and on).
So if someone can be ejected for politics, then there are no protected classes, because the reason for refusal is simply politics.
Nobody ejects women from bars due to t-shirts with comments about men.
I think it's just pretty easy to eject a white dude from a bar.... as long as he's not gay.
Unless the bar owner is gay, of course.
Same with the black guy. If a black guy is ejected from a bar owned by a black person because that black person has stated a "no politics" policy in the bar, I doubt there would be any issue.
I guess the "easy to eject from a bar" clause is just the tiny payment that white, straight guys pay for all that white, hetero male privilege.
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It's an interesting situation. Sexual preference constitutes a protected class. Political affiliation doesn't.
It's also kind of interesting because Manhattan is very Democrat. Therefore we can guess that the guy was wearing the hat with the intention of causing a ruckus of some sort.
And we ALL know that most liberal Democrats cannot stand a little dissention around. They just don't have the maturity level to live and let live when it comes to their TDS.
I would have taken my hat off. Ordered a picture of beer.
Then "accidentally" dropped my picture of beer in the middle of the entry as I was leaving.
I don't think dropping a picture of beer is going to cause a mess as you leave...maybe just some confusion. But once you they saw you put your MAGA hat back on, it would make more sense.
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In case there were any Trump supporters who were angry about a Trump supporter being kicked out of a venue...
Anyone remember this? Thousands of Trump supporters cheered as this happened:
Man is thrown out of bar for wearing maga hat. Man sues and loses in court.
A Manhattan judge ruled Wednesday that there’s nothing “outrageous” about throwing the president’s supporters out of bars — because the law doesn’t protect against political discrimination.
"anyone who supports Trump — or believes in what you believe — is not welcome here! And you need to leave right now because we won’t serve you!” Piatek claims the staff of The Happiest Hour on West 10th Street told him after he and his pals complained about the rude service they were getting from a bartender.
"...that plaintiff was not served and eventually escorted out of the bar because of his perceived support for President Trump is not outrageous conduct,” the judge ruled.
I find this very unfair. a baker is sued, loses, and fined thousands for not baking a wedding cake because homosexual marriage is against his personal religious beliefs, but it is perfectly legal for a bar patron to be denied service and thrown out of a bar for his maga hat.
I think both businesses should be able to decide who they serve.
I appreciate your sentiment, but you are missing some aspects of this case. The judge rules according to the law. Since many complain about judges making law, rather than simply ruling according to the law, it's important that it be understood, the judge ruled according to the law. The law doesn't protect political statements in private businesses. And you wouldn't want it to. The reality is that you wouldn't want it to, because if it did, you'd complain constantly about liberals making political statements in private establishments.
That said, private businesses, like a bar or a bakery, have to have business licenses. When they apply for and receive their business license, it is a contract between them and the state. The business agrees to comply with specific state requirements. Requirements about safety and cleanliness, and requirements about not discriminating against certain classes of people. The requirements vary from state to state, and homosexuality isn't protected in every state. Bakers should be aware of this, and aware of the laws in the state in which they choose to operate their businesses.
That’s stupid. Here’s a thought, people could just support who they want and accept that others have different opinions. Why blame the guy wearing a MAGA hat for having the intention of causing a ruckus instead of the idiots who can’t just let things go and accept that people have different opinions?
Wearing a MAGA hat is like wearing a KKK hood or displaying a swastika. The entire point of wearing it is to provoke and receive negative attention. I know a couple of restaurants in my area that will also ask people wearing MAGA gear to leave, it has led to arguments and fights and people are just sick of dealing with the Trump cult drama queens.
In case there were any Trump supporters who were angry about a Trump supporter being kicked out of a venue...
Anyone remember this? Thousands of Trump supporters cheered as this happened:
^^^
This is the neutral, independent, moderate conservative take on the issue, for anyone who's wondering. I'm sure we'll see you hunting down and pointing out leftist hypocrisy in other threads going forward.
Of course the bar owner can kick people out for their politics. Hopefully bakers who don't want to bake gay wedding cakes will learn from this example and adapt their strategy.
Man is thrown out of bar for wearing maga hat. Man sues and loses in court.
A Manhattan judge ruled Wednesday that there’s nothing “outrageous” about throwing the president’s supporters out of bars — because the law doesn’t protect against political discrimination.
"anyone who supports Trump — or believes in what you believe — is not welcome here! And you need to leave right now because we won’t serve you!” Piatek claims the staff of The Happiest Hour on West 10th Street told him after he and his pals complained about the rude service they were getting from a bartender.
"...that plaintiff was not served and eventually escorted out of the bar because of his perceived support for President Trump is not outrageous conduct,” the judge ruled.
I find this very unfair. a baker is sued, loses, and fined thousands for not baking a wedding cake because homosexual marriage is against his personal religious beliefs, but it is perfectly legal for a bar patron to be denied service and thrown out of a bar for his maga hat.
I think both businesses should be able to decide who they serve.
It just shows how muddy and inconsistent discrimination laws really are. So where do you draw the line? Could a person be fired for being a Trump supporter? Denied housing? Isn't discrimination laws suppose to
allow for EVERYONE to be treated equally and fairly?
If a business is allowed to discriminate on the basis that they find Trump support to be immoral then a Christian baker should be allowed to discriminate on the basis that they find gay marriage to be immoral.
^^^
This is the neutral, independent, moderate conservative take on the issue, for anyone who's wondering. I'm sure we'll see you hunting down and pointing out leftist hypocrisy in other threads going forward.
Of course the bar owner can kick people out for their politics. Hopefully bakers who don't want to bake gay wedding cakes will learn from this example and adapt their strategy.
I have always thought that people who did not want to bake cakes for gay people should adopt a strategy that avoided litigation, but so many of them seem to be proud of their bigotry.
If one does not want to perform a service for someone, one need only make their service seem undesirable to that person.
Which is really what happened in this instance. The guy was asked to remove his hat. He refused to remove it and was asked to leave... he had no leg to stand on because he could have stayed if he'd agreed to keep his hat off.
If a Christian bigot baker doesn't want to bake a wedding cake for gay people, that baker needs only to make a product that is less enticing to gay people. Like, nothing but dry, ugly cakes or something.
I'm kidding, of course. But, I don't get why bakers don't want to make money. Nobody says they have to deliver cakes for gay people or participate in actual weddings. Cakes are eaten at receptions.
A reception is a party after an event. So... how is baking that cake violating their religious views? It's not. They're just bigots wanting to be rude.
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