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Old 04-26-2018, 05:01 PM
 
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There's a line between doing good and just being bonkers under the guise of doing good.

West coast cities can't even begin to keep up with the homeless problem. It's more than a problem, it's at epidemic proportions. Los Angeles looks like Tijuana in may parts of the city, including the parks.

Just like the OPs story of how the homeless in Seattle are living in the shadows of city hall, it is identical here:
L.A.'s homelessness surged 75% in six years. Here's why the crisis has been decades in the making

The homeless have doubled in 10 years, while our councilmen, Mayors, and state legislators are fixated on protecting illegal immigration at the cost of citizens who are suffering themselves.

It's absurd!
Illegal immigration is not the cause of homelessness.

Massive wealth inequality is. When you make the poor even more poor, and the rich even more rich, this is what happens. And the homeless tend to go for better weather, and where they can get help.

We ignore those causes and facts and the problem will continue.
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Old 04-26-2018, 05:12 PM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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Illegal immigration is not the cause of homelessness.

Massive wealth inequality is. When you make the poor even more poor, and the rich even more rich, this is what happens. And the homeless tend to go for better weather, and where they can get help.

We ignore those causes and facts and the problem will continue.
Aren’t immigrants taking jobs from the poor?
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Old 04-26-2018, 05:17 PM
 
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Remember these city and county politicians in control are elected officials so as far as I'm concerned the majority of the people in Seattle are getting what they want and what they deserve. They are embracing progressiveness in all it's glory.
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Old 04-26-2018, 05:18 PM
 
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Aren’t immigrants taking jobs from the poor?
Not according to the socialist. The immigrants take jobs from the rich and the rich then live in squalor surrounded by stacks of money. Poor SOB's
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Old 04-26-2018, 05:22 PM
 
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Aren’t immigrants taking jobs from the poor?
Its debatable. Keep in mind, im anti-illegal immigrant so im fine with resolving that problem. I just don't think its a major contributor to the homeless issue. Massive wealth inequality is by far a larger issue to it.
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Old 04-26-2018, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Facts:
http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime...ashington.html

You had more assaults on average back in 2002, then you have had recently (please observe the per 1,000 people averages). Any more nonsense?
I mean seriously, can you at least make a effort to use facts?
Fact: the data you post is city wide. My post is about a particular block on 3rd Av. Fact: when I lived in Seattle (18 yrs ago) I used to walk down that block frequently. It's never been the best area, but it certainly didn't fit the description in post #1 back then.


You really should take more care in postings before casting aspersions. Posting such just makes the poster look like an idiot. In fact why do it at all, care or no care? What happened to the concept of civil debate? Why the burning need to be so querulous?
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Old 04-26-2018, 05:35 PM
 
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Fact: the data you post is city wide. My post is about a particular block on 3rd Av. Fact: when I lived in Seattle (18 yrs ago) I used to walk down that block frequently. It's never been the best area, but it certainly didn't fit the description in post #1 back then.


You really should take more care in postings before casting aspersions. Posting such just makes the poster look like an idiot. In fact why do it at all, care or no care? What happened to the concept of civil debate? Why the burning need to be so querulous?
So your complaint is that crime is concentrated in one area? So suddenly the rest of Seattle is now far more crime free, and its all in one area?

Thats GREAT news! It makes policing easier, and every where else is far safer then was even suspected by the lower overall crime numbers!

Im querulous because the arguments presented doesn't line up with reality. Because while Seattle is safer then it was in the past people try and make it sound like a horrible place. Go read the first post.

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Detroit here we come
Which is utter nonsense when the city is safer then before. And if its getting all the crime concentrated there-while the cities overall crime numbers are down...it means that everywhere else is even far safer!

The OP is deceptive nonsense. Thats why I care.
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Old 04-26-2018, 05:38 PM
 
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That's what the majority of Seattle wants, SF style liberalism.........more power to them!
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Old 04-26-2018, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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So your complaint is that crime is concentrated in one area? So suddenly the rest of Seattle is now far more crime free, and its all in one area?

Thats GREAT news! It makes policing easier, and every where else is far safer then was even suspected by the lower overall crime numbers!

Im querulous because the arguments presented doesn't line up with reality. Because while Seattle is safer then it was in the past people try and make it sound like a horrible place. Go read the first post.



Which is utter nonsense when the city is safer then before. And if its getting all the crime concentrated there-while the cities overall crime numbers are down...it means that everywhere else is even far safer!

The OP is deceptive nonsense. Thats why I care.
Please don't make stuff up in your mind and attribute it to me. Nowhere did I express a complaint that crime is concentrated in one area.


All I'm trying to convey is the irony and tragedy of 380 assaults, 51 robberies, and daily pressure washings of human waste JUST OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE. Apparently the local news outlets (and the King County Council) considers this to be of particular significance. If you do not, that's your option. To repeat--denial--not just a river in Egypt.
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Old 04-26-2018, 06:00 PM
 
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Please don't make stuff up in your mind and attribute it to me. Nowhere did I express a complaint that crime is concentrated in one area.


All I'm trying to convey is the irony and tragedy of 380 assaults, 51 robberies, and daily pressure washings of human waste JUST OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE. Apparently the local news outlets (and the King County Council) considers this to be of particular significance. If you do not, that's your option. To repeat--denial--not just a river in Egypt.
LOL. Is crime up or down. facts turn out that its down. So you then make it about that one area. When called on it you claim that you didnt complain about it being concentrated in one area.

Its the quantum argument!

I call it out because the original post goes on about how detroit here we come to imply growing lawlessness.

You move the argument to it being about the courthouse area, but " Nowhere did I express a complaint that crime is concentrated in one area.".

Is it a issue? sure. but the OP is not discussing that issue, its implying something else. And the article is as well. I call out nonsense like this because its insanely deceptive. Even worse is when folks try and make it a political argument. Like OMG look at the crime from those democrats running this area!! (Crime which is down)
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