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Old 04-27-2018, 08:13 AM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
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Students do not have the full range of first amendment rights within schools. This has gone to court before. He is going to lose. If its disruptive to education it can in fact be restricted.

And given its proximity to other events its clearly going to be disruptive.

edit to add-great link by the way on this topic!
I know what you're saying, but how is it disruptive and who judges whether it is disruptive or not.
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Old 04-27-2018, 08:15 AM
 
Location: My House
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Most adults can't carry guns at school. Usually codified at the state law level. If you can show me where a state law says a student cannot wear clothing depicting US Constitutional Rights, post it.
Schools do not need state laws for that.

You don't get that schools have dress codes, do you?

I'm sure he could wear a shirt with a screen print of the 2nd amendment on it minus the actual photo of a gun and nobody would say anything to him.
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Old 04-27-2018, 08:16 AM
 
Location: My House
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I know what you're saying, but how is it disruptive and who judges whether it is disruptive or not.
The principal or the county, or both.

I'm pretty sure there are places of work where a person is also not allowed to wear a shirt with a gun on it, or a pot leaf, or a swimsuit model, etc.

There are dress codes in many places in society.
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Old 04-27-2018, 08:18 AM
 
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Makes no sense. He wore nothing that advocated anything illegal. Why shouldn't a student promote knowledge of the US Constitution? On top of that, his shirt could prompt a very beneficial discussion of the history of the Gadsden Flag.
A shirt depicting a gun does not "promote knowledge of the US Constitution". That is what US History class is for.

Stop going on about it not being illegal. That has nothing to do with it. It goes against the school dress code, so he cannot wear it. It would be the same if a girl showed up to class shoeing off her midriff. Are short shirts illegal? No, but it still goes against dress code and she would be told to cover up.
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Old 04-27-2018, 08:19 AM
 
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I know what you're saying, but how is it disruptive and who judges whether it is disruptive or not.
The school
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Old 04-27-2018, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Most schools in these parts forbid T-shirts with any kind of pictures or lettering on them, unless the T-shirts have the school symbol or mascot. A lot of schools are moving toward modified uniform requirements - blue polo shirts, khaki pants or skirts.

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Actually, the student does have a case for his right to wear the t-shirt.
Actually, he doesn't if his T-shirt violated the school's dress code.
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All Americans who have First and Second Amendment Rights.
Neither gives a student the right to violate school policy. Laws are clear on this. Get over it.

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The second amendment does not cover T-shirts unless you don’t know how to spell and you think it’s the right to bare arms.
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Bwah hahahaha!

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Christianity.
Wait ... Christians are worshipping guns now? Hm. My church didn't get that memo.

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Makes no sense. He wore nothing that advocated anything illegal. Why shouldn't a student promote knowledge of the US Constitution?
Oh - please elaborate on how a picture of a gun "promotes knowledge of the US Constitution"?

*popping popcorn now*

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I don't have a problem with schools not allowing any clothing with political, or offensive messages, but it needs to be enforced evenly.
How do you know it isn't?

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I know what you're saying, but how is it disruptive and who judges whether it is disruptive or not.
The school board.
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Old 04-27-2018, 08:22 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Schools do not need state laws for that.

You don't get that schools have dress codes, do you?
Some also require students to Salute the US Flag and say the Pledge of Allegiance. That's also unConstitutional. There's already a SCOTUS ruling on that. Schools can't compel anyone to violate their Constitutional Rights.
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Old 04-27-2018, 08:25 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The principal or the county, or both.

I'm pretty sure there are places of work where a person is also not allowed to wear a shirt with a gun on it, or a pot leaf, or a swimsuit model, etc.

There are dress codes in many places in society.
Private sector? Yes. They can do as they wish. Public, taxpayer-funded, facility? No.
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Old 04-27-2018, 08:26 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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A shirt depicting a gun does not "promote knowledge of the US Constitution".
Did you see the shirt in dispute? It does. Specifically mentions the 2nd Amendment.
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Old 04-27-2018, 08:29 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The shirt in dispute:

This shirt
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