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There is NO reason they shouldn't let him go to Italy. The only reason they aren't letting him is because they are control freaks who get high on having the power to decide who lives and who dies. And that is why I am not going to let the Left and the RINOs continue to gain any more momentum here in the US:
The doctors says he is in pain and with no chance of recovery. The parents recognize he is going to die and is in agony.
But still they want to move him just so they can't get a few more weeks of their already dead son.
In the US, I suppose you would agree to sell your house and all your families belongings to support your 4th cousin living across the country if he also got the same condition and his parents did not have the insurance to pay for it all? You would be good if all your relatives had to sell all their belongings to pay for your 4th cousin. Right?
The UK system has paid MILLIONS of dollars without question, for his treatments, his specialists, his lawyer, the parents lawyers, the states lawyers... ALL concluding that he is in pain, he is going to die, and nothing will help. He should be able to die in peace... not yank him of life support and send him all over the world, so the parents can live in the delusion that his brain might magically start to grow back.
How many TENS OF THOUSANDS of Americans die every year because they can´t afford to go see a doctor in your for-profit system? I don´t see you marching to change THAT evil system!
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There is NO reason they shouldn't let him go to Italy. The only reason they aren't letting him is because they are control freaks who get high on having the power to decide who lives and who dies. And that is why I am not going to let the Left and the RINOs continue to gain any more momentum here in the US:
This has nothing to do with the NHS, and more to do with the law as enshrined in the 1989 Childrens Axt which sets out the rights of the child as a seperate legal entity. To this end Alfie has his own Barrister who represents his best interests.
As well as adhering to the 1989 Childrens Act, the Courts must also adhere to the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) which is enshrined in to British Law and the International Declaration of Human Rights (IDHR) which Britain is a signatory to. Both the ECHR and the IDHR state that the childs welfare is paramount, and this must be the primsary concern of the Court, which has examined evidence from both the Hospital Consultants as well as Independent Medical Experts.
The case has been heard by the High Court, the Court of Appeal, the Supreme Court and the European Court of Human Rights and all are in agreement.
In terms of dying everyone including the parents agree that the child is terminally ill and it's merely a question of where is the most appriopriate place for pallative end of life care to take place. The Courts have asked the Doctors and the Parents to discuss the matter in relation to the Child being allowed to either go home or be placed in a specialist hospice.
It should also be noted that the US Courts made a similar decision in the Israel Stinson case and other such cases.
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I have had a very hard time even following this. I agree wholeheartedly that this child was murdered
Firstly the hospital has a duty of care under the law, secondly in such cases it's not up to the Hospital to decide, such decisions are decided under the 1989 Childrens Act which give Children legal rights and thirdly the UK has to comply with International Law which states the child's welfare is paramount.
The parties agreed that the child was terminally ill, that their was no cure, what that the child needed was good palliative end of life care, which is what Alder Hey staff did, indeed the babies father even praised Alder Hey staff.
The Law is clearly set out in the Childrens Act 1989, the European Covention on Human Rights (ECHR) and the UK Human Rights Act 1998, as well as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which Eleanor Roosevelt was instrumental in helping to forge.
The ECHR applies to 47 countries in Europe and is enshrined in British Law, and the UK Courts take all decisions based on ECHR Law, with the final say on the matter being at the European Convention on Human Rights, so the same decision would apply to nearly every country in Europe and to around 800 million people.
As for Alfie he has now passed away at Alder Hey, with pallative care and pain relief, which is very sad, but he was terminally ill and was not expected to live very long.
Obviously the way forward is to try and dedicate more resources in relation to this rare neurodegenrative condition, and there are some very good centtes of research in the UK.
Who defines "best interests" is central, and the courts have consistently followed medical opinion, rather than moral or religious arguments.
In Alfie's case, there was no dispute about his condition. Doctors from three countries agreed he was in a semi-vegetative state and that there was no chance of recovery.
Since December 2016, the toddler had suffered from an undiagnosed degenerative brain disease which ultimately left him with almost no discernible brain function and reliant on life support.
In the final court hearing before his death, the barrister for his father, Tom Evans, told the court they were seeking "care, not cure".
In contrast to the case of Charlie Gard, which saw doctors in the US offering further treatment, Alfie's case became a decision about how and where he died.
The choice was between two palliative care regimes: Alder Hey Hospital, one of the most advanced and experienced paediatric centres in Europe, or the Bambino Gesu hospital in Vatican City.
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There is NO reason they shouldn't let him go to Italy. The only reason they aren't letting him is because they are control freaks who get high on having the power to decide who lives and who dies. And that is why I am not going to let the Left and the RINOs continue to gain any more momentum here in the US:
Insurance companies also have death panels... And at at this rate, private insurance companies in the US kills thousands upon thousand of innocent Americans each year in the name of profit.
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Some get mad when I referred to the government behavior as a death panel.
If it walks like a duck...
Blaming the Government in such cases is akin to blaming Trump for all decisions made by the US Supreme Court.
This is a matter of law and human rights and has nothing to do with the Government or indeed NHS.
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