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So I am a Democrat. I am such for three reasons: economic fairness, environment and freedom from religion. The positions on those three held by the GOP make it completely unpalatable to me.
Now I have always strongly disagreed with the Democrats on one issue: illiegal immigration. I really do think that anyone here illegally, with some humanitarian exceptions (most notably the "Dreamers") has no right whatsoever to be in this country and should be deported. I also think that birthright citizenship is a terrible idea. I wholeheartedly agree with the "no borders/no country" sentiment.
Up until now I have supported Democrats in different ways by saying to myself: "I must bite the bullet because promoting one cause I disagree with and three causes I do agree with is a reasonable tradeoff".
Yet recently I arrived at a new thought process I just cannot shake off. Namely, illegal immigration's consequences are *irreversible*.
Mostly Latin American and mostly low skilled migrants bring a certain culture to America and I am convinced that that culture hurts America on all levels. I will not go into what exactly that culture is except to say that most of Latin America is in the state that it is in because of it. And that culture is here to stay and to grow by being passed on through illegals' children. It *cannot be undone". You just cannot pass a law that will change the attitudes of tens of milions.
Issues that I disagree with GOP on, though, are more fluid, though. A Republican Congress may cut taxes and social programs. Yes, that infuriates me, but nothing prevents the next Congress from raising the taxes and supporting those social programs again. With religion too, laws on reproductive freedom or religious schools, can be written and then scrapped. It is only the Environment, damage to which is irreversable.
So Environmental degradation vs erosion of American cultural foundations through uncontrolled influx of poor and unskilled migrants is what it ultimately comes down to. Given that we are less then 5% of Earth's population, I really don't think we are the deciding factor on what happens to our planet. And with run of the mill pollution, there is also some reversibility: just think Hudson river or LA smog now vs in 1970's.
So, fellow Liberals, I am tempted to throw in the towel on National politics altogether. I am tempted to say both parties suck equally and just mind my own business. Yes, on that one issue alone. Can you find holes in my thinking? Can you tell me why it is still worth riding the Demicratic vagon?
So I am a Democrat. I am such for three reasons: economic fairness, environment and freedom from religion. The positions on those three held by the GOP make it completely unpalatable to me.
Now I have always strongly disagreed with the Democrats on one issue: illiegal immigration. I really do think that anyone here illegally, with some humanitarian exceptions (most notably the "Dreamers") has no right whatsoever to be in this country and should be deported. I also think that birthright citizenship is a terrible idea. I wholeheartedly agree with the "no borders/no country" sentiment.
Up until now I have supported Democrats in different ways by saying to myself: "I must bite the bullet because promoting one cause I disagree with and three causes I do agree with is a reasonable tradeoff".
Yet recently I arrived at a new thought process I just cannot shake off. Namely, illegal immigration's consequences are *irreversible*.
Mostly Latin American and mostly low skilled migrants bring a certain culture to America and I am convinced that that culture hurts America on all levels. I will not go into what exactly that culture is except to say that most of Latin America is in the state that it is in because of it. And that culture is here to stay and to grow by being passed on through illegals' children. It *cannot be undone". You just cannot pass a law that will change the attitudes of tens of milions.
Issues that I disagree with GOP on, though, are more fluid, though. A Republican Congress may cut taxes and social programs. Yes, that infuriates me, but nothing prevents the next Congress from raising the taxes and supporting those social programs again. With religion too, laws on reproductive freedom or religious schools, can be written and then scrapped. It is only the Environment, damage to which is irreversable.
So Environmental degradation vs erosion of American cultural foundations through uncontrolled influx of poor and unskilled migrants is what it ultimately comes down to. Given that we are less then 5% of Earth's population, I really don't think we are the deciding factor on what happens to our planet. And with run of the mill pollution, there is also some reversibility: just think Hudson river or LA smog now vs in 1970's.
So, fellow Liberals, I am tempted to throw in the towel on National politics altogether. I am tempted to say both parties suck equally and just mind my own business. Yes, on that one issue alone. Can you find holes in my thinking? Can you tell me why it is still worth riding the Demicratic vagon?
Not a Liberal , but abandon the ship. Its sinking FAST. No Agenda, No Plan, No leaders..... New democrat poll shows that the ship is sinking with millennials. I suggest you abandon as well..
Today's democrats are not the same as the ones 15 years ago. They have been hijacked by marxists and are going to run that failed messaged for the foreseeable future. Thats why they push for illegal immigration..
Not a Liberal , but abandon the ship. Its sinking FAST. No Agenda, No Plan, No leaders..... New democrat poll shows that the ship is sinking with millennials. I suggest you abandon as well..
Today's democrats are not the same as the ones 15 years ago. They have been hijacked by marxists and are going to run that failed messaged for the foreseeable future. Thats why they push for illegal immigration..
So I am a Democrat. I am such for three reasons: economic fairness, environment and freedom from religion. The positions on those three held by the GOP make it completely unpalatable to me.
Now I have always strongly disagreed with the Democrats on one issue: illiegal immigration. I really do think that anyone here illegally, with some humanitarian exceptions (most notably the "Dreamers") has no right whatsoever to be in this country and should be deported. I also think that birthright citizenship is a terrible idea. I wholeheartedly agree with the "no borders/no country" sentiment.
Up until now I have supported Democrats in different ways by saying to myself: "I must bite the bullet because promoting one cause I disagree with and three causes I do agree with is a reasonable tradeoff".
Yet recently I arrived at a new thought process I just cannot shake off. Namely, illegal immigration's consequences are *irreversible*.
Mostly Latin American and mostly low skilled migrants bring a certain culture to America and I am convinced that that culture hurts America on all levels. I will not go into what exactly that culture is except to say that most of Latin America is in the state that it is in because of it. And that culture is here to stay and to grow by being passed on through illegals' children. It *cannot be undone". You just cannot pass a law that will change the attitudes of tens of milions.
Issues that I disagree with GOP on, though, are more fluid, though. A Republican Congress may cut taxes and social programs. Yes, that infuriates me, but nothing prevents the next Congress from raising the taxes and supporting those social programs again. With religion too, laws on reproductive freedom or religious schools, can be written and then scrapped. It is only the Environment, damage to which is irreversable.
So Environmental degradation vs erosion of American cultural foundations through uncontrolled influx of poor and unskilled migrants is what it ultimately comes down to. Given that we are less then 5% of Earth's population, I really don't think we are the deciding factor on what happens to our planet. And with run of the mill pollution, there is also some reversibility: just think Hudson river or LA smog now vs in 1970's.
So, fellow Liberals, I am tempted to throw in the towel on National politics altogether. I am tempted to say both parties suck equally and just mind my own business. Yes, on that one issue alone. Can you find holes in my thinking? Can you tell me why it is still worth riding the Demicratic vagon?
I think the biggest hole in your thinking are the assumptions that a) you have to vote for one of the two major parties and b) you must vote exclusively for one party
I switched from Republican to Democrat. I don't believe in illegal immigration and feel that anyone here illegally is breaking the law and shouldn't be hidden in sanctuary cities. But I still vote for Democrats versus Republicans because most everything else I support is more along the lines of the D platform versus R platform.
You have to realize that it's rare for every single individual person's issues to be 100% in line with one political party. Instead, you pick which party most aligns with what is important to you. Such as protection of the environment, which is probably my number one issue. Pro choice is also important to me.
I realize that the Sanctuary city thing is the far left extreme and that many Democrats are for closed borders. If you look, Obama deported the most number of illegals of any president. It's false to assume that Democrats are for open borders.
I don't want illegals to keep entering but I think the wall isn't the solution because it's old technology and isn't cost effective. Also, most illegals that enter now don't come via the southern border. Many of those that do enter via the southern border do so via the checkpoints. They wouldn't be impacted by a wall. I think a wall would be throwing money away and wouldn't solve the issue.
IMO, the solution is to enact E-verify in every single state and give big fines to employers which hire illegals. If you notice, the Rs don't support this. The real reason, IMO, is that corporations want to hire illegals because they work for low wages and they work in unsafe conditions without complaint. If the Rs wanted to stop illegals, they would stop them from working and enact E-verify. But the Rs really are ok with illegals being hired by companies. They just act like don't support it. If they were against it, they would do something about it. And the don't.
Economic fairness? Do you mean even MORE redistribution? If so, that isn't "fair". We have tons of laws, and regulations on capitalism to the point we are more socialist than capitalist.
Environment - Unlike what the Dems want you to believe, the Republicans want clean air, and clean water, just not OVER regulation causing economic hardship. The EPA has been out of control for decades.
Religion - What law, or policy have Republicans put in place to force religion on you?
Last edited by Pilot1; 05-02-2018 at 11:12 AM..
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