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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
capitalism absolutely allows personal freedom, personal success, and even personal failure
Marxism is slavery
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The Capitalist government does not allow me to grow certain plants on my own land and ingest them in order to attain more "personal freedom of mind". Why?
In fact, the Capitalist government will arrest, fine and jail me for same - while making hefty profits on all those services (many outsourced). They will ruin me, ruin my life and ruin my family. They will allow me to be bodily raped, beaten, stabbed and abused within their state-operated shelters.
Please explain carefully how this is freedom...
The Capitalist government will not allow me to erect a tent or small temporary shelter on land owned by the Government (State, Federal) and live there. This is MY LAND. In many cases I have to pay to even visit it. Capitalist corporations are allowed to drill on it for oil and gas, dig it up for minerals and/or pollute it in many ways. They can erect dwellings and other buildings and rigs to sustain life there....on MY LAND.
The Capitalist government won't even allow me to sail or ride a boat unless I spend a LOT of money obtaining various licenses and registrations. I'm not talking highways (which cost money, so requiring money is OK), but I cannot fish nor cruise in coastal waters, lakes, rivers or streams without registration.
What you are talking about is not freedom. It is a very narrow slice of a certain type of economic life. "The Marketplace" has existed for thousands - probably tens of thousands of years. It was usually a relatively "free marketplace" in that buyer and seller agreed on the price of the goods and services.
You are acting as if the ability to "make money" is the epitome of freedom. It is not.
Freedom is freedom of thought and consciousness - you know, the ability to smoke that weed and have "different" thoughts than just about how to make more money and buy more things.
Why does the "biggest capitalist" nation have the largest jail population on the planet? Seems a strange correlation - if something is great, people usually want to take part in it.
Why do so many in the USA feel disaffected? We are the undisputed leaders in Capitalism and yet count up the suffering, poverty, disease, obesity, early deaths, depression, suicides, etc.....
How was I "free" when the government sent me a note to report for my draft card to see if they should send me to Vietnam against my will? Were Vietnamese peasants landing on the beaches here?
You have a lot of explaining to do. But let me give you a hint or two. Trump was elected because people felt disaffected (at least a lot of that minority). So we know people who feel Capitalism gave them short shrift elected Trump. On the other side of the isle, folks like me ALWAYS knew that Government didn't give two chits about us - and would send us in a heartbeat to die for Dow Chemical, Exxon or just to use up and test more war toys they could sell worldwide.
Is that freedom? Personal freedom?
Is this "success" is so readily available, why are generations of folks in KY, TN, MO, WV, etc. on disability, medicaid...and have problems with drinking, opiates, meth, etc...and are dying young? Is this the end result? 80 year olds working for $9. an hour as wal-mart greeters so they can make ends meet while a very few suck up 10,000X more money than they need.
You have a lot of explaining to do.
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about definitions re: "property" (including the ridiculous claim that 'people are essentially the same as property') & "contracts" as if these legal ideas somehow had meaning in the absence of law. 
pardon me ~ just fell asleep for a moment. 
