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Old 05-03-2018, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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SOCIALIST GENOCIDE?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing_of_Europe

Birthrate per woman; 1960; 2015
Portugal: 3.2; 1.2
Poland: 3.0 ; 1.3
Spain: 2.9; 1.3
Japan: 2.0; 1.5
Germany: 2.4; 1.5
Denmark: 2.6; 1.7
Norway: 2.9; 1.8
Finland: 2.7; 1.8
United Kingdom: 2.7; 1.8
Sweden: 2.2; 1.9
France: 2.9; 2.0 (Ironic that the bump is due to immigration from non-socialist countries)

Russian Federation: 2.5; 1.7
Ukraine: 2.2; 1.5 (wuh woh)
Cuba: 4.2; 1.6 (Impressive result of socialism)

United States: 3.7, 1.8 (USA is more and more socialist)

NON-SOCIALIST COUNTRIES
Mexico: 6.8; 2.2 (exporting their surplus, eh?)

Kuwait:7.2; 2.1
India: 5.9; 2.4
Saudi Arabia: 7.2; 2.7
Syrian Arab Republic: 7.5; 3.0
Afghanistan: 7.5; 4.7
Iraq: 6.3; 4.6
Niger: 7.4; 7.6 (WHOA !)

. . . .
Note: 2.0 is considered the replacement birthrate for industrialized nations, less is depopulation (and an invitation to invaders).

Source:
Fertility rate, total (births per woman) | Data
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN

Ironic: Some recent “bumps” in birthrate correspond to an influx of immigrants from non-socialist nations.
All these countries are capitalism.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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oh bull
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Not by the twentieth century definition people use due to a false pretenses that the USSR was Marxist.
The USSR was socialist on the path to becoming communist.
It embraced marxism.
That's a fact, unpleasant as it may be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union
In 1968, the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact allies invaded Czechoslovakia to halt the Prague Spring reforms. In the aftermath, Brezhnev justified the invasion along with the earlier invasions of Eastern European states by introducing the Brezhnev Doctrine, which claimed the right of the Soviet Union to violate the sovereignty of any country that attempted to replace Marxism–Leninism with capitalism.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:42 PM
 
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Blaming "capitalism" (private ownership) for natural disasters, poor farming skills, disease, and suffering is a sick joke.

Because "collectivism" doesn't prevent natural disasters, poor farming skills, disease and suffering. In fact, collectivism imposes far more disease and suffering.

As in the 90+ million killed by "benevolent" communism.
As in the depopulation of "glorious" socialist states.


OUTLIER
Countries Compared by Health > Physicians > Per 1,000 people. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

• Physicians per capita
• USA ranks 52nd - 2.3 per 1,000 people
• Belarus has over twice as many - 4.55 per 1,000 people
• Cuba is ranked #2 - 5.91 per 1,000 people - almost THREE TIMES as many physicians per capita as the USA. Which might explain how Cuba can provide more inexpensive health care to more people.

The reason why USA has far less physicians is due to GOVERNMENT criminalizing the unlicensed trade in medicine and healthcare and the AMA policy of limited education venues to keep demand up and physician wages high.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medica...#United_States
In the nineteenth century, there were over four hundred medical schools in the United States. By 1910, the number was reduced to one hundred and forty-eight medical schools and by 1930 the number totaled only seventy-six. Many early medical schools were criticized for not sufficiently preparing their students for medical professions, leading to the creation of the American Medical Association in 1847 for the purpose of self-regulation of the profession.

Abraham Flexner (who in 1910 released the Flexner report with the Carnegie Foundation), the Rockefeller Foundation, and the AMA are credited with laying the groundwork for what is now known as the modern medical curriculum.
. . .
(Other references)
In 1904, there were 160 M.D. granting institutions with more than 28,000 students.

By 1920, there were only 85 M.D. granting institutions, educating only 13,800 students.

By 1935, there were only 66 medical schools operating in the USA.
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2012 : 141 medical schools currently recognized by the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC)
(Yet America’s population quadrupled between 1900 and 2000. We should have at least 600 medical schools, to churn out a surplus of care givers.)
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GOVERNMENT GRANTED MONOPOLY IS TO BLAME, NOT CAPITALISM.
Claiming that 'collectivism' doesn't prevent natural disasters, poor farming skills, disease and suffering" is a non-starter (aka as 'attacking a straw man).

I could retort, the free market doesn't prevent natural disasters, poor farming skills, disease & suffering.

Would this be 'attacking a straw man' as well?

Further you assert, "In fact, collectivism imposes far more disease and suffering". This is an extraordinary claim without (as is usual) the requisite extraordinary evidence.

So what.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Not by the twentieth century definition people use due to a false pretenses that the USSR was Marxist.
who says that

the USSR was socialist which has a GOAL to become full blown communist...which is an INPOSSIBLE state of existence

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"A Marxist/progressive/Fascist/Liberal begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of socialism, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." Saul Alinsky
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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All these countries are capitalism.
NOPE.
Actually, any nation that has a mandatory "Social Security" system that TAKES from one to GIVE to another is socialist / collectivist.
The only variation is the degree of nationalization / confiscation of property by the State.

Capitalism cannot exist where the State can take away a share of one's labor and property, via taxes.

STEALTH SOCIALISM is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps tremendous profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, stealth socialism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is overt socialism (& communism) with its nationalization of business and industry.

As posted before, private property is protected from being taken for public use without just compensation.
If the government can take property and not pay just compensation, it is NOT private property.
If there is no private property, the government is COLLECTIVIST / SOCIALIST / COMMUNIST / MARXIST.

The USA is unique among socialists, since its socialism is 100% voluntary - though the majority do not know of it.
“The Social Security Act does not require an individual to have a Social Security Number (SSN) to live and work within the United States, nor does it require an SSN simply for the purpose of having one...”
- - - The Social Security Administration
http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/ScottSSNLetter.pdf
Get your own personalized letter from the SocSecAdmin . . .
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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NOPE.
Actually, any nation that has a mandatory "Social Security" system that TAKES from one to GIVE to another is socialist / collectivist.
The only variation is the degree of nationalization / confiscation of property by the State.

Capitalism cannot exist where the State can take away a share of one's labor and property, via taxes.

STEALTH SOCIALISM is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps tremendous profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, stealth socialism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is overt socialism (& communism) with its nationalization of business and industry.

As posted before, private property is protected from being taken for public use without just compensation.
If the government can take property and not pay just compensation, it is NOT private property.
If there is no private property, the government is COLLECTIVIST / SOCIALIST / COMMUNIST / MARXIST.
Social security is a Marxist principal placed in a capitalist society. Real communal societies like Chiapas are actual Marxism.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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This is your ‘free market’ capitalism:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=2s&v=n0f8ZvJe2lM.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
NOPE.
Actually, any nation that has a mandatory "Social Security" system that TAKES from one to GIVE to another is socialist / collectivist.
The only variation is the degree of nationalization / confiscation of property by the State.

Capitalism cannot exist where the State can take away a share of one's labor and property, via taxes.

STEALTH SOCIALISM is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps tremendous profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, stealth socialism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is overt socialism (& communism) with its nationalization of business and industry.

As posted before, private property is protected from being taken for public use without just compensation.
If the government can take property and not pay just compensation, it is NOT private property.
If there is no private property, the government is COLLECTIVIST / SOCIALIST / COMMUNIST / MARXIST.

The USA is unique among socialists, since its socialism is 100% voluntary - though the majority do not know of it.
“The Social Security Act does not require an individual to have a Social Security Number (SSN) to live and work within the United States, nor does it require an SSN simply for the purpose of having one...”
- - - The Social Security Administration
http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/ScottSSNLetter.pdf
Get your own personalized letter from the SocSecAdmin . . .
STEALTH SOCIALISM aka fascism or socialism lite
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""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism."" Mussolini
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Further you assert, "In fact, collectivism imposes far more disease and suffering". This is an extraordinary claim without (as is usual) the requisite extraordinary evidence.
Evidence? 90+ million deaths. Famine under Stalin. Cultural Revolution under Mao.
The fact that the glorious collectivists had to build WALLS to keep their people in - Or shoot them for defecting from "paradise."

You might benefit from reading the Gulag Archipelago, or a more "light hearted" novel : METRO, by Alexander Kaletski.

https://www.amazon.com/Metro-Moscow-.../dp/0670805114
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