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Old 05-02-2018, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Originally Posted by Roboteer View Post
TRANSLATION: I can't refute any of it. But I don't dare admit it.

TRANSLATION: This is Step 1 of my agenda to twist around and eventually enable government theft of people's individual property.
Is the government forcing this to happen in the mid-west, workers declaring their own freedom.

In Cleveland, Worker Co-Ops Look to a Spanish Model - TIME


A person working on a land has more right to it than someone with a piece of paper from the government declaring it theirs.
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Old 05-02-2018, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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The farm land is shared, all those who want to grow and produce can. An individuals labor is never for sale, the economy can only be managed through democracy and through worker agreement.
Why not try it on a small scale?
The Israeli KIBBUTZNIKs tried it - and gave it up after only a few generations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz
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Old 05-02-2018, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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People who have Creator endowed rights to life, liberty (personal and natural), absolute ownership of private property, inherent powers, etc, are not justified by the state or its laws.
In America's case, pursuant to the Declaration of Independence, governments are instituted among men to SECURE THOSE ENDOWMENTS.
Those rights exist independent of the government.

However, collectivists seek to STEAL THOSE RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES.
And that means they're the PREDATORS that government was instituted defend against.
Collectivists are ENEMIES of the people, their liberty and their property.

And that is a fact that the left hopes to disguise with verbiage.
We share the land. You as a land owner have no right to deny someone the ability to farm said land if they want food.

Workers freedom above slavery.
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Old 05-02-2018, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Why not try it on a small scale?
The Israeli KIBBUTZNIKs tried it - and gave it up after only a few generations.
Capitalism is all about growth and domination. That is why you see factory farms and Monsanto poising our foods.

Here is the quote from the link: he globalization processes and the kibbutz failure to block them exposed the kibbutz society to a different type of culture. For example, after kibbutz members were allowed to have television sets in their own homes, the kibbutz members were exposed to "the good life" in which people were compensated for their work and could buy themselves different luxurious items. The kibbutzim were not capable of dealing with these processes

Globalization is the manifestation of capitalism

Real organic food can be produced by freedom of association. Workers have a right to produce.
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Old 05-02-2018, 05:03 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The farm land is shared, all those who want to grow and produce can.
TRANSLATION: It's just a matter of time before someone finds out that he can still eat even if he slacks off. What difference in production amounts will just one guy make, after all?

And then just a matter of a little more time before one more guy notices that the first guy is slacking off but not affected by it, and starts to wonder if maybe he can relax a little too. What difference in production amounts will just one more guy make, after all?
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Old 05-02-2018, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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TRANSLATION: It's just a matter of time before someone finds out that he can still eat even if he slacks off. What difference in production amounts will just one guy make, after all?
Not what happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolu...llectivization

Or even in Chiapas.
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Old 05-02-2018, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Capitalism is all about growth and domination. That is why you see factory farms and Monsanto poising our foods.
As stated in a previous post, the actual definitions for capitalism do not include corporations and usury, the whipping boys of the left wing snatchers.

REAL CAPITALISM refers to the private ownership of the tools of production : land, etc.
It does NOT refer to limited liability artificial persons (corporations) who exist by government authority. And those corporations cannot absolutely own, since they have no endowed rights.

It's leftist strategy to mislead and twist definitions. . . like calling the NAZIs fascists (right wing) when NAZIs were left wing socialists.

FASCISM ISN’T FASCIST

FASCISM - any political or social ideology of the extreme right which relies on a combination of pseudo-religious attitudes and the brutal use of force for getting and keeping power.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

------------
The major characteristics of "Fascism" :

* EXTREME RIGHT
* PSEUDO-RELIGIOUS
* BRUTAL

Let's consider the wing with which people are associated with, when speaking of political partisanship.

LEFT WING - the section of a political party, government or group that holds the most left or radical views.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

RIGHT WING - the section of a political party, government or group that holding the views of the Right.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

THE RIGHT - that section of a political party ... which associates itself with traditional authority or opinion and which in legislative bodies is seated traditionally to the right of the presiding officer.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

THE LEFT - that section of a political party ... which differs most from traditional authority or opinion and which in legislative bodies is seated traditionally to the left of the presiding officer.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

Is that clear?
Left = opposition to traditional authority
Right = support of traditional authority

The QUESTION : "WHAT" is traditional authority?

Did Adolf Hitler (and Mussolini) support or oppose traditional authority?
Oppose.
Even Francisco Franco, who originally claimed to be for the monarchy, and against the republicans, set himself up as dictator - El Caudillo (the Chief).

OPPOSITION = LEFT WING.
So-called Fascists weren't right wing. They were liars, thieves and scoundrels who perverted language and symbols to achieve their goals.

What do you call :
* EXTREME LEFT
* PSEUDO-RELIGIOUS, and
* BRUTAL ?

FALSE - ISM?
FAUX - IST?
ANTI-FA?

Good old fashioned TERM WARFARE.
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Old 05-02-2018, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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IDEOLOGICAL THIEVES
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A popular mantra among the Left Wing is that NO ONE CAN OWN LAND.

That is completely wrong.

Without absolute ownership and the right to exclude others, there is nothing to stop predation and vandalism.

Without the "right to own" the farmer has no "right" to exclude the herdsman from trampling his crops with his herd. The herdsman has no "right" to prevent hunters from killing and taking his animals. All that remains are primitive hunter - gatherers in perpetual conflict over the planet "nobody can own."

Ownership and exclusion are vital to civilization.
No piece of land can simultaneously be used for shelter, grazing, farming, hunting, gathering, wildlife, and / or transportation.

The REAL GOAL of the Left Wing is to persuade the owners to surrender ownership to the collectivist STATE, so it can rule the (m)asses.

Do not fall for it. Defend absolute ownership of private property, for if you can’t absolutely own yourself, your labor, and the fruits of that labor, who does own you and yours?

(You have no right to life, if you have no land upon which to live! All you have is a privilege, subject to the landlord. And your progeny will have no nation to live within, when others take the land for their own posterity.)
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Old 05-02-2018, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
As stated in a previous post, the actual definitions for capitalism do not include corporations and usury, the whipping boys of the left wing snatchers.

REAL CAPITALISM refers to the private ownership of the tools of production : land, etc.
It does NOT refer to limited liability artificial persons (corporations) who exist by government authority. And those corporations cannot absolutely own, since they have no endowed rights.

It's leftist strategy to mislead and twist definitions. . . like calling the NAZIs fascists (right wing) when NAZIs were left wing socialists.

FASCISM ISN’T FASCIST

FASCISM - any political or social ideology of the extreme right which relies on a combination of pseudo-religious attitudes and the brutal use of force for getting and keeping power.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

------------
The major characteristics of "Fascism" :

* EXTREME RIGHT
* PSEUDO-RELIGIOUS
* BRUTAL

Let's consider the wing with which people are associated with, when speaking of political partisanship.

LEFT WING - the section of a political party, government or group that holds the most left or radical views.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

RIGHT WING - the section of a political party, government or group that holding the views of the Right.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

THE RIGHT - that section of a political party ... which associates itself with traditional authority or opinion and which in legislative bodies is seated traditionally to the right of the presiding officer.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

THE LEFT - that section of a political party ... which differs most from traditional authority or opinion and which in legislative bodies is seated traditionally to the left of the presiding officer.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

Is that clear?
Left = opposition to traditional authority
Right = support of traditional authority

The QUESTION : "WHAT" is traditional authority?

Did Adolf Hitler (and Mussolini) support or oppose traditional authority?
Oppose.
Even Francisco Franco, who originally claimed to be for the monarchy, and against the republicans, set himself up as dictator - El Caudillo (the Chief).

OPPOSITION = LEFT WING.
So-called Fascists weren't right wing. They were liars, thieves and scoundrels who perverted language and symbols to achieve their goals.

What do you call :
* EXTREME LEFT
* PSEUDO-RELIGIOUS, and
* BRUTAL ?

FALSE - ISM?
FAUX - IST?
ANTI-FA?

Good old fashioned TERM WARFARE.
Privatization always leads to monopolization. The same thing happened with standard oil. Once a person can lay claim to an output greater than their input they can use that deficit to buy more and more MoP until they control the entire production from start to finish.

When all the resources are owned by a handful of capitalism the only choice workers have is who they wish to become slaves for.
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Old 05-02-2018, 05:13 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by Winterfall8324 View Post
Not what happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolu...llectivization

Or even in Chiapas.
From the linked article:
The presence of armed CNT militiamen also had the effect of imposing fear on those who opposed collectivization. Those smallholders who refused collectivization were prevented from hiring any laborers and usually were forced to sell their crops directly to the committees, on their terms. They were also often denied the services of the collectivized businesses such as the barbershops and bakeries, use of communal transport, farm equipment and food supplies from communal warehouses. All of these "economic pressures" combined caused many tenant farmers and smallholders to give up their land and join the collectives.

While some joined voluntarily, others, especially in the beginning of the revolution, were forced to join the collectives by anarchist militias. The anarcho-syndicalist periodical Solidaridad Obrera reported that: "Certain abuses have been committed that we consider counterproductive. We know that certain irresponsible elements have frightened the small peasants and that up to now a certain apathy has been noted in their daily labors."


TRANSLATION: Government theft of private property began at once, and was rampant. One result was that people worked a lot less hard than they used to.

Nice try.
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