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Do they have to be able to walk only 1 block to get to their job?
Whats the price for a home, 40 minutes with public transit? I do agree with you that minimum wages should be adjusted to the GDP per capita instead of being allowed to erode over time in order to cause poverty, desperation and social problems.
Yeah I’m not sure what the socialists demand . If it’s one block or not .
I’m guessing they wouldn’t be against seizing all the property in NYC and letting min wage workers live there for free .
40 minutes on public transit would probably still not allow one to live alone on $15 hr.
Also believe me in addition to food , cost of rent and other things will go up too . This doesn’t just affect food industry . Higher costs hurt the poor and middle class a lot more than the rich
In NYC ? As I said Manhattan studio apartments go for about $2500 a month . So should the restaurant have to pay like $50 hour or whatever it might cost to afford that ?
Im curious what kind of employees are staffing the McDs in this area? Around here, its usually people in their early 20s to about mid 50s.
They must already live somewhat close to the stores location, so how can they afford to live there while working for McDs? If they are receiving Govt assistance, that is no different that Govt subsidizing McDs.
I guess if you had asked me, back in 1968 when I was 13 years old and paying 49 cents for a Big Mac, if I would want to pay $4.50 for that same sandwich, I would have shaken my head.
Here is the price of Big Mac around the world. Notice that America has the 4th highest prices in the world, even though the cost of fast food workers for McDonalds is far lower in America than many other places. A good indication that people are misled when they obsess about how much prices would skyrocket if workers are paid better:
Oh ok . So what is living wage for Manhattan . Studio apartments look to go for $2500 or more .
What wage do you think they’d have to pay so the worker could afford to live in that . Plus pay for all other living expenses including food etc ?
$15 hr even working full time obviously isn’t the number .. so what is the number ? $40 hr ?
Well, maybe McDs should consider if they can afford to have a location in that area, If cost of living and wages are so high?
I ran a lawn business for many years, I would have loved to expand and offer services in Southern CA, but I realized I could not afford to do so practically, other businesses must make similar decisions on where they have locations too, if they cannot afford it, dont open one there, its that simple.
Yeah I’m not sure what the socialists demand . If it’s one block or not .
I’m guessing they wouldn’t be against seizing all the property in NYC and letting min wage workers live there for free .
40 minutes on public transit would probably still not allow one to live alone on $15 hr.
Also believe me in addition to food , cost of rent and other things will go up too . This doesn’t just affect food industry . Higher costs hurt the poor and middle class a lot more than the rich
Also most small business owners aren’t rich.
Its the rich and the ruling donor class who are most against higher minimum wages. The more funding a candidate gets from the well heeled, the less likely that candidate is to support stronger unions and higher minimum wages. Small business owners are doing just fine in countries with much stronger worker rights than America. This idea that the economy will collapse if workers get their share of the national income is misleading.
Its the rich and the ruling donor class who are most against higher minimum wages. The more funding a candidate gets from the well heeled, the less likely that candidate is to support stronger unions and higher minimum wages. Small business owners are doing just fine in countries with much stronger worker rights than America. This idea that the economy will collapse if workers get their share of the national income is misleading.
There are a lot of myths though about how things are in other countries . You always hear “ but min wage in Australia is X”
For example in Australia there is one wage for adults and one for teens.
The one for teens is much lower . So guess who works at a lot of the fast food places .
There are millions that are working for min wage right now . They signed up for it . Filled out application and showed up to interview . There isn’t a single person that had a gun put to their head and was forced to take the job .
Also these jumps are intended to be beginning jobs or jobs done while attending school ... or a part time job while spouse etc has a full time job .
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Have you seen apartment prices in Manhattan recently ?
Even studio apartments are going for over $2500 . So you think that a Manhattan restaurant should only open .. or continue to exist if they can afford to pay workers enough to live locally ?
The thing is they aren’t all going to leave . Because they haven’t left at least en masse .
They can split a one bedroom with two roommates if they got paid $15/hour. That wouldn't be possible if they were paid say the $3/hr that you guys think is "market rate"
Well, maybe McDs should consider if they can afford to have a location in that area, If cost of living and wages are so high?
I ran a lawn business for many years, I would have loved to expand and offer services in Southern CA, but I realized I could not afford to do so practically, other businesses must make similar decisions on where they have locations too, if they cannot afford it, dont open one there, its that simple.
Well the thing is most of these locations were built long before this crazy $15 wage law all the progressive cities jumped on .
You are right perhaps many wouldn’t of opened . Would that be better ? Or would it mean a vacant building or maybe a business that min wage workers won’t qualify for . Maybe a law firm or tech company or some place that only hires people with PhD degrees .
You see how this gives these workers less places to work ? Then it’s really going to force the workers out of town .
Or maybe you’ll just have family run shops that only hire within etc .
People aren’t looking at the whole picture . Also most restaurants and businesses in NYC are owned by mom and pops rather than big chains.. although you could also argue the McDonald’s locations many are franchises not owned by the corporation but rather someone that got a loan to open a shop .
Additionally most of the small businesses are immigrant or minority run as they are in L.A .. liberals are always saying they care about immigrants .. yet this is a slap in the face to them .
Seems one would have to be crazy to run a business in a liberal city .
Many cities in America are welcoming to businesses unlike cities like NYC , San Francisco , L.A etc with these crazy minimum wage laws .
NYC restaurants are not happy with the big minimum wage hike government has forced on them .
Now they are begging to be allowed to add a surcharge of 5 % to each bill .
They make a good point about these politicians that have never run a business .
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New York City restaurants are proposing a surcharge for all diners to cover the rising cost of wages.
A group of more than 100 owners are pushing for lawmakers to let them add an extra 5% to weather next year’s hike in the minimum wage to $15 as well as the rising cost of food and rent.
“We’re seeing restaurants go out of business,” Apple-Metro CEO Zane Tankel said Tuesday during an interview on FOX Business’ “Evening Edit.”
Tankel argues that the minimum-wage hike will destroy jobs and force restaurants to raise menu prices.
“Our mayor has never run a business in his life,” he said. “Our governor has never run a business in his life,” he added, referring to Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo.
They can split a one bedroom with two roommates if they got paid $15/hour. That wouldn't be possible if they were paid say the $3/hr that you guys think is "market rate"
I never said $3 hr is market rate . Even illegal aliens ... you think they work for $3 hr in NYC ..
right ..
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