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Old 05-08-2018, 05:58 AM
 
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So, why would Mueller want to delay any hearings? It should be a slam dunk, yes? If he has the evidence to make an indictment...


Or why would the Mueller team say, that this company did not formally accept the indictment?


Do tell...
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Old 05-08-2018, 06:04 AM
 
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Mueller attempted to serve the summonses through the Russian government several months ago but they refused to act. Two lawyers show up and request extensive information for a hearing tomorrow. Concord hasn't even accepted the summons nor has the law firm claiming to represent them. Yes they have the right to see all evidence if in fact they are representing Concord but there are ongoing investigations and I'm sure it needs to be redacted.





https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...e-delay-570627

Wait, so your saying that Mueller is going to redact information on why someone is being indicted? How convenient is that for mueller's team...


Hey we got you, we have indicted you, but you cannot see the evidence that we indicted you on..


Why would a team of lawyers show up saying they are representing someone, in court saying they want to see the evidence? Seems you're flailing....just a little....no, a lot actually....
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Old 05-08-2018, 06:07 AM
 
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Wait, so your saying that Mueller is going to redact information on why someone is being indicted? How convenient is that for mueller's team...


Hey we got you, we have indicted you, but you cannot see the evidence that we indicted you on..


Why would a team of lawyers show up saying they are representing someone, in court saying they want to see the evidence? Seems you're flailing....just a little....no, a lot actually....
I am sure they will provide information but it could also expose sources, the hearing will take place tomorrow so we will see what takes place. Seems like this was calculated for effect.
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Old 05-08-2018, 06:52 AM
 
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I am sure they will provide information but it could also expose sources, the hearing will take place tomorrow so we will see what takes place. Seems like this was calculated for effect.


Hopefully Mueller can slam the Russians.....


Calculated...yes....it also appears that Mueller never thought that anyone would show up and that's why his team made the excuses they did and tried to delay this....
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Old 05-08-2018, 08:36 AM
 
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This is one of the reasons why people don't like Americans; blatant double standards and arrogance.

"I look the other way when we interfere in foreign elections, but scream moral indignation when the favor is returned back."

Either interfering in democratic elections is right or it is wrong. It can't merely be right because we are doing it, or because someone from your party is doing it.

If we truly oppose interfering in democratic elections, we must hold ourselves to the same standards that we want others to be held to.

If we truly love our country, we must demand acceptable behavior. You are saying that interfering in elections is wrong, okay. Then we must condemn Obama and other past US leaders for interfering in foreign countries' elections - including in interfering in Russian elections. Otherwise, you are just a partisan hypocrite enforcing double standards on the world.
Interfering in other countries' elections is wrong and I'm happy to speak out against it. If the Obama administration did it, they were wrong.

But this issue here is Russian interference in our election, and some posters seem to be rooting for the Russians because Mueller is bringing the investigation and Mueller is also investigating Trump for collusion. They see Mueller as the enemy, rather than those who would interfere with our political processes.

I hope we see the truth about all of it--what Trump did and didn't do, and what the Russians did and didn't do. If Mueller has proof, it will come out. If he doesn't, charges against those who have been indicted will be dismissed.
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Old 05-08-2018, 08:39 AM
 
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Interfering in other countries' elections is wrong and I'm happy to speak out against it. If the Obama administration did it, they were wrong.

But this issue here is Russian interference in our election, and some posters seem to be rooting for the Russians because Mueller is bringing the investigation and Mueller is also investigating Trump for collusion. They see Mueller as the enemy, rather than those who would interfere with our political processes.

I hope we see the truth about all of it--what Trump did and didn't do, and what the Russians did and didn't do. If Mueller has proof, it will come out. If he doesn't, charges against those who have been indicted will be dismissed.

Throw Obama in the mix.....his admin knew about it and did nothing....
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Old 05-08-2018, 09:02 AM
 
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Throw Obama in the mix.....his admin knew about it and did nothing....
Now you're being disingenuous. It's well documented that the Obama administration was investigating and told the Trump team what they thought was going on and then kicked Russian diplomats out.
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Old 05-08-2018, 10:18 AM
 
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Now you're being disingenuous. It's well documented that the Obama administration was investigating and told the Trump team what they thought was going on and then kicked Russian diplomats out.

Yes, they were talking sort of...., and BTW, the sanctions and kicking out the Russians happened after the election....


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After Election Day, Obama ordered the U.S. intelligence community to issue a public report about the Russian scheme. Once it had — and concluded Russia's attack was aimed at helping Trump and hurting Clinton — the United States imposed a slate of punitive measures against Moscow. In addition to imposing new sanctions, Washington also expelled a number of Russian diplomats and closed two Russian diplomatic compounds in Maryland and New York.

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/21/58761...erence-in-2016


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So why didn't Obama's administration do more?

That isn't clear. Some former administration officials who have talked about it publicly have reproached themselves for not acting more aggressively. There also was a long-standing criticism of Obama that his foreign-policy making amounted to endless process with no outcomes — hours of meetings that yielded more meetings but no ultimate action.
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Old 05-08-2018, 03:10 PM
 
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Yes, they were talking sort of...., and BTW, the sanctions and kicking out the Russians happened after the election....





https://www.npr.org/2018/02/21/58761...erence-in-2016
Yes, the sanctions did happen after the election. Can you imagine the uproar if the administration had acted before the election and said the Russians were trying to help Trump get elected, and then Hillary was elected? Trump supporters would have had a collective stroke, and rightly so. There wasn't enough time to digest it and examine the extent of it. It would have looked like partisan fear-mongering, no matter how well it was documented. Diehard Trump supporters still deny Russia was attempting to influence the election.

Has Trump done anything about Russian interference since he's been elected?
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Old 05-08-2018, 03:53 PM
 
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Interfering in other countries' elections is wrong and I'm happy to speak out against it. If the Obama administration did it, they were wrong.

But this issue here is Russian interference in our election, and some posters seem to be rooting for the Russians because Mueller is bringing the investigation and Mueller is also investigating Trump for collusion. They see Mueller as the enemy, rather than those who would interfere with our political processes.

I hope we see the truth about all of it--what Trump did and didn't do, and what the Russians did and didn't do. If Mueller has proof, it will come out. If he doesn't, charges against those who have been indicted will be dismissed.
I think some posters seem to think collusion is a farce to destroy the president. Meanwhile I have seen Democrats waffle on firm positions about interference as it is clear they can't blanket oppose interference as their heroes do it.

The US media has ignored or even supported the US interfering in Russian elections. You want to look at Russian interference in our elections, then we need to look at Wilson, Clinton, and the Obama presidencies among others if we want to understand why Russia might want to interfere with our elections.
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