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Old 05-12-2018, 10:08 AM
 
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You can get as sick as you like, that does not change the facts.
Yeah, doesn’t change the fact that drunken Russian generals wasted millions of soldiers in ill conceived battles. Only thing they achieved was running the Germans out of ammo.
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Old 05-12-2018, 10:11 AM
 
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Yeah, doesn’t change the fact that drunken Russian generals wasted millions of soldiers in ill conceived battles. Only thing they achieved was running the Germans out of ammo.
That is simply not true. In 1941, perhaps - the Red Army was caught unprepared and suffered from rot from the top. In 1944, they had regained the initiative and fought combined-arms operations intelligently and competently.
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Old 05-12-2018, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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You can't air-support your way out of trying offensive ops against 250+ divisions with 110 or so of your own.. Google operation "Unthinkable" - I believe the word used was "fanciful".

WWII air power didn't work that way. Heck, air power just barely works that way today.

A very, very fine military machine attacked the Soviet Union in 1941, with the country caught unprepared. That didn't work. Doing so in 1945, with the Red Army in its finest shape, combat-tested and flush with victory, and with the Soviet war production at its peak? Bad Idea.

The singular is very appropriate. 1945 nukes were hand-built, carefully crafted physics experiments in bomb casings. The materials for mass production just weren't there.
The Krauts in the Falaise pocket would disagree with you....
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Old 05-12-2018, 10:18 AM
 
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Serger, read Georg Grossjohan’s book “Five Years, Four Fronts”. It’s the memoirs of a German officer who survived the entire war serving on four different parts of the war. He gives credit to American supplies and the Ford 2 1/2 ton truck as the reason the Russians prevailed in their battle. So while patrolling the seas all around the world, manufacturing and transporting war materials to the allies and fighting the Japanese which was a much tougher battle than a European ground war, the Americans accomplished what no other nation could.

It’s ridiculous to suggest the US would have fought battles like the Soviets did. We had complete air superiority so there would have been no German tanks. Also there was no hatred between Germany and the US. Most of us have German ancestry. It would have been over quickly, especially after the Marines finished with the Japanese.
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Old 05-12-2018, 01:30 PM
 
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Japanese campaign tougher then the European ground war?

Hahahaha.... HAHAHAHA...


The US has a geographical advantages almost no other has.
It also had a 3x population compared to UK/CAN/AUS
So it should produce 2-3x more then UK/CAN/AUS
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Old 05-12-2018, 01:42 PM
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Location: Dallas, TX
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Someone must have forgotten to inform Rommel. Man, what a lot of trouble he could have saved.

And the IJA in Burma, too...

The old cliche about the Brits buying the Allies time, the Americans supplying the money and the Russians buying their share with blood is not entirely off.

This bears repeating. In the end, who cares who did more of what? All the allies did their part to defeat Hitler. I toast them all.
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Old 05-12-2018, 02:18 PM
 
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Well, the UK did stand alone at first against Germany. If it wasn't for them Germany might have had a better chance against Russia, no? Russia sure paid heavily with lives though fighting the Germans (with supply help from the US).

https://www.yahoo.com/news/half-brit...89.html?bcmt=1


I think you'd get a better discussion on this in the History forum. Never the less, I'm guessing that the U.K. may have done the most to withstand Hitler.


I'm not surprised to see that America - which showed up late and reluctantly - imagines itself as the most important. Too bad they didn't poll Russians.
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Old 05-12-2018, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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That is simply not true. In 1941, perhaps - the Red Army was caught unprepared and suffered from rot from the top. In 1944, they had regained the initiative and fought combined-arms operations intelligently and competently.
It was the Great Purge of 1936-38 that removed over half of the Red Army's most experienced and capable officer corps.
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Old 05-12-2018, 04:11 PM
 
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Serger, read Georg Grossjohan’s book “Five Years, Four Fronts”. It’s the memoirs of a German officer who survived the entire war serving on four different parts of the war. He gives credit to American supplies and the Ford 2 1/2 ton truck as the reason the Russians prevailed in their battle. So while patrolling the seas all around the world, manufacturing and transporting war materials to the allies and fighting the Japanese which was a much tougher battle than a European ground war, the Americans accomplished what no other nation could.

It’s ridiculous to suggest the US would have fought battles like the Soviets did. We had complete air superiority so there would have been no German tanks. Also there was no hatred between Germany and the US. Most of us have German ancestry. It would have been over quickly, especially after the Marines finished with the Japanese
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Lol. Sorry, no time at the moment, I'll let others burst your bubble.
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Old 05-12-2018, 07:52 PM
 
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Serger, read Georg Grossjohan’s book “Five Years, Four Fronts”. It’s the memoirs of a German officer who survived the entire war serving on four different parts of the war. He gives credit to American supplies and the Ford 2 1/2 ton truck as the reason the Russians prevailed in their battle. So while patrolling the seas all around the world, manufacturing and transporting war materials to the allies and fighting the Japanese which was a much tougher battle than a European ground war, the Americans accomplished what no other nation could.

It’s ridiculous to suggest the US would have fought battles like the Soviets did. We had complete air superiority so there would have been no German tanks. Also there was no hatred between Germany and the US. Most of us have German ancestry. It would have been over quickly, especially after the Marines finished with the Japanese.
Complete air superiority gets you squat by way of claimed territory and surrendering enemy. No German ever held up a white flag because he got tired of hearing airplanes overhead.

The Soviets were also contributors to the Pacific theater:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasi..._Kuril_Islands Every Japanese battalion engaged fighting other allies was one not shooting at Americans.

The Royal Air Force, for another, was busily flying hundreds of strafing/bombing missions in the far east against Japanese held territory.
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