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Old 05-12-2018, 04:51 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I would love to be able to join a strong union as an engineer that has absolute industry control of the nation, such as is in Germany. I would have never had to endure a lay off which I have still not recovered from.
Why were you laid off? Downsized? Or were you replaced with someone else?

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I went to the IBEW shop and pipe fitters and they are like a beat dog, they have to grovel for contracts and they barely have any negotiating power. They said to come back every month and maybe something will come up in the next year to two lol. I will need a new job before 2 years.
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Old 05-12-2018, 05:13 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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It has NEVER been a wage that would support a family, not even in 1938. If that is what they really wanted that's what would have been passed, but it wasn't.

If you wanted to keep it consistent with what it was at it's peak it would only about around $10 / hour today, if you adjusted it based on 1938 it would only be $4 / hour. No where near the absurd liberal fantasy $22 / hour.

No one in their right mind would think that minimum wage jobs, jobs that take zero skills, zero experience, little to no training, where the worker can be replaced in minutes, should be enough to support a family on. Would you honestly expect to be able to support a family clearing tables at Red Robin? Or collecting shopping carts at the grocery store? Doing jobs that almost any teenager could easily do.
Google what FDR had to say about the minimum wage.

In 1938 you didn't have business models that relied on starvation wages to operate.
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Old 05-12-2018, 05:22 AM
 
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Thats pretty scary, because the median wage is where 50% of American workers make less, and 50% more. So more than 50% of American workers make less per hour than what the minimum wage would have been! Thats 75 million workers! The top 0.1% have never had it so good. Largely because they have done a great job at destroying the union movement.
Thank Ronald Reagan for that. He began the destruction of the Middle Class that had disposible income and spent it, making the economy strong. Trump may destroy what is left of it.
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Old 05-12-2018, 06:17 AM
 
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Google what FDR had to say about the minimum wage.
I did just that. apparently he stated the following:
“no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By ‘business’ I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level — I mean the wages of decent living.â€

Man, he would get drawn and quartered by a crowd of angry rednecks for spouting that kind of socialism in Trump's America.
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Old 05-12-2018, 06:18 AM
 
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Those are all the result of the debasing of the currency, with tuition being the result of government meddling in student loans.

https://inflationdata.com/articles/2...ents-a-gallon/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHMe8NotFJQ
So what
The cost out of your pocket is what people care about--
Not necessarily why that cost is high or low...
And note that the things I asked about were not part of the answer provided

Some aspects of our economy are not factored into the "official" inflation standard because they are know to be very inflationary
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Old 05-12-2018, 07:10 AM
 
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I did just that. apparently he stated the following:
“no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By ‘business’ I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level — I mean the wages of decent living.”

Man, he would get drawn and quartered by a crowd of angry rednecks for spouting that kind of socialism in Trump's America.
I think the reaction would be quite different. Rednecks wouldn't care. But businesses would flee the US, left and right. Just look at what "tax me more" Warren Buffett did because BK had to pay too much corporate tax in the US: tax inversion to Canada to save millions of dollars in corporate taxes.

So you see, the left "talks" a big game, and the stooges buy it for some inexplicable reason, but when push comes to shove the left really just look out for only their own best interests.
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Old 05-12-2018, 07:54 AM
 
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I think the reaction would be quite different. Rednecks wouldn't care.
Why do you claim Fox News viewers wouldnt care? Fox News always go and on about how FDR was wrong and that eliminating the minimum wage and gut worker's rights in America is the way to go. Not surprising considering who owns Fox News. The worker peasants are urged to support a system where the owners sit in a castle and the peasants grovel for pocket change. Or else...as you say...we will kick you out on the streets and replace you. Thats what happens when workers dont band together. Lone workers are powerless and thats why the median hourly wage has been flat for decades in America.
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Old 05-12-2018, 08:00 AM
 
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I think the reaction would be quite different. Rednecks wouldn't care. But businesses would flee the US, left and right. Just look at what "tax me more" Warren Buffett did because BK had to pay too much corporate tax in the US: tax inversion to Canada to save millions of dollars in corporate taxes.

So you see, the left "talks" a big game, and the stooges buy it for some inexplicable reason, but when push comes to shove the left really just look out for only their own best interests.
Stupid example. Buffet isnt a pro-union, FDR type. He isnt "the left" you are arguing against. And businesses who dont treat workers with dignity could easily be punished if there was political will to do it. Let them leave and never operate in America again. See how that works for them. The question is whether the voters have the guts to take on the ruling class of America?
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Old 05-12-2018, 08:05 AM
 
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I think the reaction would be quite different. Rednecks wouldn't care. But businesses would flee the US, left and right. Just look at what "tax me more" Warren Buffett did because BK had to pay too much corporate tax in the US: tax inversion to Canada to save millions of dollars in corporate taxes.

So you see, the left "talks" a big game, and the stooges buy it for some inexplicable reason, but when push comes to shove the left really just look out for only their own best interests.
Is this why Buffet is giving away his entire fortune?

Facts seem to be fleeting for the Right. Buffet even remarked that the "tax cuts" were something he didn't ask for (and is/was against)....

Let me think here - Buffet is worth about 70 Billion and is giving it all away. Most of it is from "salt of the earth" American ventures like RR's and Insurance, etc.

Trump, the Hero of the right, has vastly less money than if he would have invested in an index fund - and to get it he ripped off 10's of thousands of investors, bondholders, contractors and banks. His defunct charity - was closed because it was evident it was funneling money back to him.

Which of these things is NOT like the other?

Oh, if Trump would have invested in Buffet in 1975 instead of in his cons, he's be worth 180 BILLION dollars. So he lost 177 Billion by conning people. There is a god.
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Old 05-12-2018, 08:05 AM
 
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Why do you claim Fox News viewers wouldnt care? Fox News always go and on about how FDR was wrong
Well, FDR was wrong.

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate | UCLA

Knowledge is Power.
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