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Old 05-18-2018, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40 View Post
This is what happens when you take God out of school and gut Christianity from society. Teen sucide rate has doubled too. They have no hope in life. Couple that with being relentlessly bullied and you create a toxic stew of anger.
Oh geez.

Most public schools in the developed world have separated religion from education. Yet, mass school shootings are rare.

Most of the school shooters in the US came from families who identify as Christians.

BTW, you don’t see mass school shootings in Israel, despite the majority of students are not Christian.

Mental illness trumps religion.

 
Old 05-18-2018, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Thoughts & prayers.
 
Old 05-18-2018, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
come down in price??

our first ar15 type weapon was bought in the late 70's..... LESS THAN 80 BUCKS.... today well over 500 bucks for the cheapest/crappiest one
You’ve heard of inflation, right?
 
Old 05-18-2018, 10:40 AM
 
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Originally Posted by dothetwist View Post
The US does NOT have a higher rate of mental illness than England or France or Spain or any country in Europe where school shootings are not anywhere near as common as here. What the US DOES have is a much higher rate of gun ownership. Get rid of the guns!
First of all, never going to happen.

But let's say it does. How will that happen logistically? Confiscation? Voluntary? Registration? Please be specific.

And what to do when that doesn't stop mass killings, only mass shootings, as in Australia?
 
Old 05-18-2018, 10:40 AM
 
Location: PSL
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Originally Posted by scarabchuck View Post
Modern firearms are more efficient ? That doesn't even make sense. Not much has changed in the AR15 , for instance since the 60's when it was first available.
Let's see the anti gunners explain that one.

Here's the add for it when it became open to the public in the early 60s. 1963 if I remember correctly. Back before the 1968 gun control act when you could mail order a firearm from a catalog without going to a dealer for a back ground check.



So since 1963 the AR15 has been accessible to the public.
55 years.

Other than appearance, nothing has changed since with that rifle.
What fits in a new AR, will fit in/on that old SP1...

That said, what's more deadlier?
A rifle which other than appearance, functionally remains the exact same as back when it first hit the market.

Or

Society.

Correct me if I'm wrong, parents disciplined kids back then.
Allowed them to fail back then.
Allowed them to clean their bullies clocks back then.
Instilled morals and values back then.
There wasn't social media to compete in who the biggest and best edge lord is.
There weren't psychotropic meds and violent videogames to replace parenting.
There wasn't a namby pamby 0 tollerance policy that creates victims and punishes those defending themselves from bullies.

So having said that, what has changed?
Gun control became more progressive. Used to be able to mail order an AR15 without a back ground check.
ARs have only changed in appearance...
 
Old 05-18-2018, 10:41 AM
 
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
The number of AR15 weapons in circulation was a tiny fraction of what it is today.
Shotguns were common and the weapon of choice today.
By all means lets bully the AR15. Bullying works. We need more of it I suppose.
 
Old 05-18-2018, 10:41 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Originally Posted by Kavalier View Post
Moral decay, decadence, kicked God out of schools and public arenas, no "genders", liberal policies and on and on. People wonder why 90 percent of children are bat**** crazy.

Throw in some good mood drugs and it appears you have a deadly combination.

Someone somewhere has records of the drugs these kids have been prescribed. Shame we can't get that information.
 
Old 05-18-2018, 10:41 AM
 
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Our society is not addressing the CAUSE of these shootings. More guns by "good guys" nor more gun control laws are the answers.

You have to get to the root cause of the problem; whether bullying, mental illness, bad/lack of parental involvement. We also live in the 21st Century now, not in the past where we did not have 24/7 news feeds, Internet, or Social Media which these teens with "issues" can readily access and feed on.

We need to stop throwing band aid solutions to school shootings, and address the WHY'S.
 
Old 05-18-2018, 10:42 AM
 
Location: The 719
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Another school shooting this morning at a high school outside of Galveston

According to hearsay, at least one student was shot in the leg.

No information yet available if this was a dispute between 2 people or an intended mass shooting.

Suspect is in custody.
What an awful act committed by the shooter. Heard explosive devices may be present on and off campus.

Unfortunately, schools should be locked down like military facilities.
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How many kids have died in our classrooms this year so far in 2018?

We can't even keep our children safe in schools, but Trump calls OTHER places "****hole countries."
Deflection.

Disgusting opportunity to try and bash President Trump here. The focus here is on Santa Fe High in Texas.

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Old 05-18-2018, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Austin
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I've read that many experts believe the recent uptick in mass school shootings is likely due to the voluminous amount of media attention the shooter and these horrific attacks receive.

Experts told BuzzFeed News the recent uptick is likely due to the amount of attention the attacks get and the fixation on the people behind them, spurring copycats while at the same time desensitizing the public. Inadequate and poorly enforced laws don't help, they added.

"These shooters get great satisfaction in doing this, and the media attention they get afterwards puts them in a place of history," said Greg Shaffer, a 20-year FBI veteran and global security expert who studies domestic terrorism and active shooters. "We are also trying to use normal rational thoughts to define an irrational act, which is why we focus on them so much. But we will never understand why people like the Las Vegas gunman do what they do."


https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasack...6V#.faJDM8gdNz
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