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I graduates HS in 2000. There were kids that were odd, there was bullying, access to guns etc.....Teenage emotions....IMO social media is a problem, you cant just go home and escape any more. Prescription drugs became more widely used, but I think the two biggest issues not talked about are video games and movies. The Columbine kids dressed up like the Matrix where the hero goes into an office dressed in black and shoots the place up. Also in the late 90's golden eye was the first first person shooter video game. Kids played that constantly. Today thats every game and much more realistic. I also think the parents worked long hours and there wasnt much time spent with kids. Today every parent works and the kids are raised in day care all day. If possible I think its beneficial for a parent to stay home during the younger years. I see parents that get maybe an hour with their kid before bed time in my neighborhood and then the weekends are packed..How well do you know your kid?
I think extreme punishment needs to be handed down for those that commit these crimes. The Aurora Theater shooting got life. It should have been death and his body thrown out like garbage. I dont even think there should be a trial or mental evaluation for those that commit mass murder without motive. If they are under 18 the parents need to be held accountable. Also if they are with a psychiatrist and they are discussing these thoughts and they dont report it, they need to be held accountable as well. Aurora is another example of this.
No matter what you do, there will always be evil people. Its recognizing and isolating it. I think there was a reason for large institutions that housed the mentally ill. Maybe they should be re opened and have those removed from society.
I believe majority of these mass shootings are orchestrated and planned (not necessarily by the gunman either).
Like one poster said above, when Columbine happened, and he was watching the news, he literally could not believe what was happening, it was like a movie...today though, its nothing like that, mass shootings roll off our backs within a few days, Heck, the Vegas shooting was really not that long ago, but no one even talks about it anymore!
This is classic desensitization/ conditioning 101.
It is slowly and methodically changing public opinion on guns in general, think about who benefits from that.
Things become even more blurry when you consider Project MK Ultra was in effect until the 1980s, surely our Govt learned some important things during that time, so it shouldnt be a big surprise when years later, we see them putting them to work or utilizing them.
The media isn't even allowed to show images of 9/11 during certain hours. Its too graphic apparently.
I am all for shock value. People should know what it looks like when terrible things happen and what happens to the body. I served in the military and those images stick in your mind forever.
As long as the clueless concentrate on gun control the sociopaths and mentally nuts will walk freely into these soft targets and shoot whoever they want. Nut cases will get weapons if they want them. Until we harden the target restrict access and have an armed security guard at a metal detector the nut cases will continue. Surveillance should begin before students even get to the building. Too bad we can't take the cheap way out and ask for CCW volunteers, but so be it.
Really, more surveillance?! How about Law enforcement installs cams in everyones house, in every room, so we can see what all these people are doing when they are alone? LOL
Definitely strange times when so many american citizens are calling for MORE laws, MORE surveillance!
From the first article (second article is included because it lead me to the first.)
“In a famous essay published four decades ago, the Stanford sociologist Mark Granovetter set out to explain a paradox: “situations where outcomes do not seem intuitively consistent with the underlying individual preferences.” What explains a person or a group of people doing things that seem at odds with who they are or what they think is right? Granovetter took riots as one of his main examples, because a riot is a case of destructive violence that involves a great number of otherwise quite normal people who would not usually be disposed to violence.
“Most previous explanations had focussed on explaining how someone’s beliefs might be altered in the moment. An early theory was that a crowd cast a kind of intoxicating spell over its participants. Then the argument shifted to the idea that rioters might be rational actors: maybe at the moment a riot was beginning people changed their beliefs. They saw what was at stake and recalculated their estimations of the costs and benefits of taking part.
“But Granovetter thought it was a mistake to focus on the decision-making processes of each rioter in isolation. In his view, a riot was not a collection of individuals, each of whom arrived independently at the decision to break windows. A riot was a social process, in which people did things in reaction to and in combination with those around them. Social processes are driven by our thresholds—which he defined as the number of people who need to be doing some activity before we agree to join them. In the elegant theoretical model Granovetter proposed, riots were started by people with a threshold of zero—instigators willing to throw a rock through a window at the slightest provocation. Then comes the person who will throw a rock if someone else goes first. He has a threshold of one. Next in is the person with the threshold of two. His qualms are overcome when he sees the instigator and the instigator’s accomplice. Next to him is someone with a threshold of three, who would never break windows and loot stores unless there were three people right in front of him who were already doing that—and so on up to the hundredth person, a righteous upstanding citizen who nonetheless could set his beliefs aside and grab a camera from the broken window of the electronics store if everyone around him was grabbing cameras from the electronics store.
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“The first seven major shooting cases—Loukaitis, Ramsey, Woodham, Carneal, Johnson and Golden, Wurst, and Kinkel—were disconnected and idiosyncratic. Loukaitis was obsessed with Stephen King’s novel “Rage” (written under King’s pseudonym Richard Bachman), about a high-school student who kills his algebra teacher with a handgun. Kip Kinkel, on the morning of his attack, played Wagner’s “Liebestod” aria over and over. Evan Ramsey’s father thought his son was under the influence of the video game Doom. The parents of several of Michael Carneal’s victims sued the makers and distributors of the movie “The Basketball Diaries.”
“Then came Columbine. The sociologist Ralph Larkin argues that Harris and Klebold laid down the “cultural script” for the next generation of shooters. They had a Web site. They made home movies starring themselves as hit men. They wrote lengthy manifestos. They recorded their “basement tapes.” Their motivations were spelled out with grandiose specificity: Harris said he wanted to “kick-start a revolution.” Larkin looked at the twelve major school shootings in the United States in the eight years after Columbine, and he found that in eight of those subsequent cases the shooters made explicit reference to Harris and Klebold. Of the eleven school shootings outside the United States between 1999 and 2007, Larkin says six were plainly versions of Columbine; of the eleven cases of thwarted shootings in the same period, Larkin says all were Columbine-inspired.”
Bad parenting can't cause a kid to become a sociopath
Of course it can.
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Does that make sense? It's a mental condition, not a learned behavior. That part of the brain that gives human's empathy as a survival trait isn't there in a sociopath.
Everyone has an anterior insular cortex, which is where such emotions related to empathy are processed.
Sociopathy is largely a learned behavior.
All of their decisions are based upon meeting their own needs and desires, without considering the needs of others. That's typical of children left to fend for themselves, because their parents are too busy working, and even when the parents are home, the parents are too wrapped up in their own little world to pay any attention to their children.
Because sociopaths are hell-bent on meeting their own needs and desires, they quickly learn how to manipulate and exploit others, including their own parents, to that end.
There are no ends to the limits they employ to manipulate and exploit others, including lying, threatening and domineering.
They get lots of practice doing that for the first 14-15 years of their lives, so that they're masters by the time they have 16 years.
They would have been better-off being raised in a Romanian orphanage during the Ceausescu Era.
Really, more surveillance?! How about Law enforcement installs cams in everyones house, in every room, so we can see what all these people are doing when they are alone? LOL
Definitely strange times when so many american citizens are calling for MORE laws, MORE surveillance!
I think it's strange times when we're having all these shootings. Maybe strange times call for strange measures.
Everyone has an anterior insular cortex, which is where such emotions related to empathy are processed.
Sociopathy is largely a learned behavior.
All of their decisions are based upon meeting their own needs and desires, without considering the needs of others. That's typical of children left to fend for themselves, because their parents are too busy working, and even when the parents are home, the parents are too wrapped up in their own little world to pay any attention to their children.
Because sociopaths are hell-bent on meeting their own needs and desires, they quickly learn how to manipulate and exploit others, including their own parents, to that end.
There are no ends to the limits they employ to manipulate and exploit others, including lying, threatening and domineering.
They get lots of practice doing that for the first 14-15 years of their lives, so that they're masters by the time they have 16 years.
They would have been better-off being raised in a Romanian orphanage during the Ceausescu Era.
I had that conversation with a pediatrician 50 years ago while discussing my daughter. He said she has nothing to do all day but figure out how to get what she wants from you. It was true. Clever little things, babies.
IDK about the attachment deprived kids in Romania. A relative spent some time with them down in the sewers. They had feeling for each other, and looked after each other. I had 6 in my home for a week. They were all kids I'd keep.
But I have also had my fair share of sociopaths. They grow up to be heads of corporations.
Hippies clearly thought "it takes a village". Hillary once said that in regards to "community" and was pilloried for it...for many years...by the Great Right Wing Conspiracy Machine. After all, we can't have "community" and neighbors looking out for each other and health care for children (for all...actually!). These are communistic and socialistic ideals.....
Yet now I am hearing...or reading....that we are creating vast numbers of sociopaths because many rejected these basic ideals. Every man is an island. Sink or swim. No one can tell me how to raise my kids. Etc. etc.....
An explanation is one thing. I think we are on the right track - there are multiple reasons including a "sick" society, freedom of Hate, lack of the basics of civilization (health care, etc.), too many guns...which provide the "tool" once the die has been cast, etc.
But I think folks are WAY off to suggest a Police State as the answer. This is just going to create a country where more and more people realize we live in a Police State and therefore more sociopaths. Since everything is unfair, I may as well just take what I want and do what I want, right??
We tend to ignore all the warning signs....we apparently didn't learn much from Vietnam where we had millions of our best young "stock" exposed to the worst of mankind (industrial war). Now we have repercussions from other wars, poverty, inequality and many other factors creating millions more "sick" people.
As we all know, if parents were abused themselves or drunks or any of many behaviors, then they tend to do the same to their own children...or allow others to do it.
I think it would be wise for people to stop spreading hell. If you are sick, don't have children. If you do have children, shower them with caring and affection and education.
No one can save us from ourselves. No spy camera can either. My guess is that as these schools "harden", the ruling classes will take their children out and send them to private schools....creating another cycle where most will have to learn in armed camps, but the privileged few will have more freedom.
In an sense, all of this is being done in the name of the NRA - that is, instead of passing common sense gun laws (first step - won't solve the problem but will help). As I said before, parents who let their children have access to their guns should be charged and jailed. After all, if you give your kid and his friend a couple drinks and they go out afterwards and have a car accident....guess who gets charged (assuming 18 or 19 year old kids). Yes, the parents are charged. I suppose they would be even if they "left the liquor out" knowing that their kids would get to it.
Responsibility - is really what common sense gun laws (including having owners be responsible for their pieces) are about.
Who can doubt that if we had 500 million hand grenades in the homes of our populace...that more of them would be going off in the wrong place? Of course they would.
Really, more surveillance?! How about Law enforcement installs cams in everyones house, in every room, so we can see what all these people are doing when they are alone? LOL
Definitely strange times when so many american citizens are calling for MORE laws, MORE surveillance!
I want metal detectors at schools. I don’t care if it makes it seem like a prison. That’s stupid anyway because I go to the courthouse often, and while I have to go through a metal detector to get in the building, I never feel like I’m in a prison. If the media refuses to stop sensationalizing these incidents (probably impossible anyway with the Internet and social media), then the schools have to be prepared for our new reality. If they instituted every gun law advocated for recently, it wouldn’t fix this problem. Even if they banned guns tomorrow, it wouldn’t fix this problem. Let’s do something that actually would work.
The teachers who want to strike for gun control need to strike for better security instead. They’re targets too. They have to know that politicians aren’t going to do anything this controversial. They’ll talk about doing it but they aren’t going to do jack **** about it because they want to win their next election. So local school districts have to figure out what they need to do to provide security for our kids now.
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