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Old 06-04-2018, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Yes, talking about prepared. How many of you run background (criminal, civil and financial) on your dates and spouses? What are the chances that someone with clean criminal records, free of civil suits, and has great credit scores would run off and take all your money?
By selecting someone as your spouse not knowing his past history is poor preparation; not monitoring your finance is poor preparation.
Having children before all that is harming your own children.
way to go...double down on nonsense and talk about things you know nothing about.

When I got married there were no internet background checks, and in the case of my ex husband it wouldn't have revealed much about him, because I knew everything there was to know. We knew each other since we were 15, we went to high school together. He was a good catholic boy who did well in school, came from a great family, and served in the military.

I would love to know why your parents didn't plan better...
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Old 06-04-2018, 07:59 AM
 
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Of course I went after him, and got a support judgment that he never paid. As I said, he quit his job, moved to another state and changed addresses often enough that child support collections couldn't keep up with him. After his mother died I had a lien put on her house because he was on the mortgage, I got $4,000 from that which was all that was left after he had refinanced it and taken all the equity out of it. Any other questions?
I haven't followed this debate but I have to say I don't understand how anyone can bail on their kids. My brother divorced his wife (who cheated on him with another married man). But he paid every penny he was required to and then some to take care of the kids. He worked full time, lived like a popper, even using his wood stove furnace to heat his house, never asked for a handout even though we insisted in helping (so he wouldn't freeze to death in these brutal cold winters). His wife said if he would allow her new husband to adopt his daughter she would let him off the hook for child support, he said that was his daughter and he would pay for her. The kids are now grown and life is much better for my brother but the kids will never feel their father didn't care about them.

I guess us Trumpeters are old fashion and believe in taking care of our own
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Old 06-04-2018, 08:01 AM
 
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Let's talk about that.

In the country I was from, the socialist government prohibited people from conducting any business. The previous generations of business people were all promptly executed without trials. The only options was working for the government, and the only way to find a better job was to have connections. The country had 2 classes: the party members and the poor. Unfortunately, we belonged the poor. Things started to change when we left. Limited business dealing was allowed, but only the party members were getting "rich."
Is there such a system in US that prevent you from getting rich?
So you finally admit it, your parents planned poorly by deciding not to work for the government- see how that works?
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Old 06-04-2018, 08:05 AM
 
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I haven't followed this debate but I have to say I don't understand how anyone can bail on their kids. My brother and his wife (who cheated on him with another married man). He divorced her but paid every penny he was required to and then some. He worked full time, lived like a popper, even using his wood stove furnace to heat his house, never asked for a handout even though we insisted in helping. His wife said if he would allow her new husband to adopt his daughter she would let him off the hook for child support, he said that was his daughter and he would pay for her. The kids are now grown and life is much better for my brother but the kids will never feel their father didn't care about them.
I guess us Trumpeters are old fashion and believe in taking care of our own
As much as you want to turn every argument into a political one, I really don't think that has anything to do with this situation.
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Old 06-04-2018, 08:10 AM
 
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Also there's no poverty in US. Everybody in US is fabulously rich by any world standard.
Absolutely false and easily disproved

https://qz.com/879092/the-us-doesnt-...loped-country/
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Old 06-04-2018, 08:10 AM
 
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well you'd better hope that poor people keep having kids or when you're 80 you won't be able to find anyone to hire who will be willing to change your depends.
No I don't wish poverty on kids. That's a pathetic thing to say. I would think that people would want to give their kids a good life.

Worse, many of those parent(s) feel it's always someone else's fault they are poor. Being that the kids learn what those around them and from what they observe, what do you think the kids are learning? Not only are these kids paying a heavy price in childhood, they are being taught a poor mans mindset.
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Old 06-04-2018, 08:17 AM
 
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Absolutely false and easily disproved

https://qz.com/879092/the-us-doesnt-...loped-country/
On a global scale, the vast majority of Americans are either upper-middle income or high income. And many Americans who are classified as “poor” by the U.S. government would be middle income globally, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis.

How Americans compare with the global middle class | Pew Research Center

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Old 06-04-2018, 08:24 AM
 
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As much as you want to turn every argument into a political one, I really don't think that has anything to do with this situation.

In my moment of sympathy for your situation I remembered we are called deplorable. Yea, it's a deplorable thing to believe in taking care of your own rather than running off and leaving the kids.

In the end, your situation is not anyone else's fault and you got to do what you gotta do to take care of your own. My brother did it without a gov't handout and so can you.
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Old 06-04-2018, 08:40 AM
 
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So you finally admit it, your parents planned poorly by deciding not to work for the government- see how that works?
Not working for the government was not an option either.

My parents planned to immigrate to America s that we could have a better life. They did that and we did our parts.
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Old 06-04-2018, 08:43 AM
 
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Let's talk about that.

In the country I was from, the socialist government prohibited people from conducting any business. The previous generations of business people were all promptly executed without trials. The only options was working for the government, and the only way to find a better job was to have connections. The country had 2 classes: the party members and the poor. Unfortunately, we belonged the poor. Things started to change when we left. Limited business dealing was allowed, but only the party members were getting "rich."

Is there such a system in US that prevent you from getting rich?
Yep, same here.
All of my previous generations were robbed by the communists in USSR. My family had houses and factories, all of this was robbed when they occupied our area. Also we were from a hated minority.

And those Americans who were so supper lucky to born here, with all of those amazing opportunities are whining, it's just making me mad. You have the language, you know people, you have connections, you know the culture, you have citizenship. How on earth are you so poor? An IT course that I took at 2008 in the Bay Area costed me about 1500$. Almost all of the students were Indians or Russian speaking. I can assure you that there was no guard at the front that denied entry from Americans. Why didn't they enroll?

After that I was placed into an internship (10$/h), after few months and super hard work there I had some experience on my resume ans 2 names of managers that I could use as references, and after few weeks of job search I landed on a contract with 25/h. Now I'm a manager with 5 teams.

After few years of hard work I was able to buy a house in a good middle class area in South California.

I see a lot of Russians, Indians and Chinese doing the same.

How so many Americans cannot?
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