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The first fine has been issued out, Denmark isn't joking around
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Danish police have fined a woman for wearing a niqab in a shopping complex, local media reported.
It's the first such fine to be issued for violating the country's contentious law banning full-face Islamic veils in public places, which came into effect on Wednesday.
In accordance with the law, the 28-year-old was asked by police to either remove her veil or leave the public space. She chose the latter.
She was also informed she would receive a fine of 1,000 kroner, about $156, in the mail.
The people of Denmark would disagree with you.
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So why should Western Europe tolerate behaviors contrary to their national values?
I'm a Dane and I find this law to be a colossal embarrassment. At a high estimate, there are two hundred women who wear face covering in Denmark. This hardly merits legal action. Of course, those who are forced by family members (it's quite often women who really get into enforcing this sort of thing) will be cooped up in their homes now, and those who wear it voluntarily will have less, not more, agency.
Stupid idea all around, exactly as could be expected from the nationalist/populist politicians.
Since when should government dictate a goddamn dress code? My viking forefathers didn't even take kindly to gods getting in their business like that, and they would have run off any king or clan leader who pretended it was his right to tell people how to dress.
I'm a Dane and I find this law to be a colossal embarrassment. At a high estimate, there are two hundred women who wear face covering in Denmark. This hardly merits legal action. Of course, those who are forced by family members (it's quite often women who really get into enforcing this sort of thing) will be cooped up in their homes now, and those who wear it voluntarily will have less, not more, agency.
Stupid idea all around, exactly as could be expected from the nationalist/populist politicians.
Since when should government dictate a goddamn dress code? My viking forefathers didn't even take kindly to gods getting in their business like that, and they would have run off any king or clan leader who pretended it was his right to tell people how to dress.
Your Viking forefathers wouldn't tolerate the level of Islamic immigration into their lands. It's not politically correct, but it's the truth. The Vikings did all sorts of other things that we would consider barbaric today. Pillage, rape, slaughter, etc.
This thread is about a law, not values. You brought up values, therefore, I thought you were ready to discuss the values of the Danish people.
Okay, sure. Let's discuss.
Where was "Stop Islamisation of Europe" founded?
What country required Islamic refugees to surrender their valuables in exchange for public benefits?
What country requires their Islamic populations to surrender their children to national socialization?
It shouldn't come as any surprise. Denmark clearly is sending a message to its Muslim population that they do not want them there if they are not willing to integrate into Danish society. And that is the overarching value, though there are a number of ancillary values as well, such as personal safety, and being able to be on even ground with someone you are interacting with by seeing them face to face, in a country where personal interaction is far more common than say, the US.
You can feign outrage at this, but it's their prerogative. Denmark is a sovereign nation, and they get to make the law of the land within their borders. The people of Denmark elected, and continue to elect, the politicians who enacted these laws. The people affected by these rules are not from Denmark and do not have to stay in Denmark. They can go to Saudi Arabia or Pakistan or a number of other countries where women who wear the niqab flourish and are fully able to express themselves as people who need to completely obscure their face for religious purposes. I guess what I'm wondering is, if you have no interested in integrating into Danish society, why would you move to Denmark?
The US has always been multicultural, so these sorts of laws are seen as impinging upon personal freedoms. But we must keep in mind that Europe is not the US, and its countries have different histories and are founded on different ideals. It's rather arrogant to impose our own values on other countries, don't you think?
I think we're kidding ourselves if we believe they're banning niqabs for public safety reasons. They're banning them because it's a clash of cultures. Secular Europe vs Orthodox Islamic culture. The USA is more tolerant of foreign cultures than Europe because it's a nation of immigrants.
Personally, as a European, I don't see the big deal if women want to wear the niqab. In Europe, their husbands can never force them to wear one, nor can their fathers. But if it's their own personal choice (which it often is) let them.
Different cultures abound. Does it really surprise you that a religion with over a billion adherents stretching from Morocco to the Pillipines has different dress codes? The point is, many women want to wear the niqab because they grew up in that culture. For them, they feel naked without it. But if they don't want to wear it, while in Europe they have that choice.
It's oppressive to tell women they can't cover up because Denmark doesn't respect their decisions. Ofc, this isn't about public safety, it's about making immigrants (who are almost exclusively from Muslim countries) feel less welcome.
This is the second time you've made this claim. Do you hate empirical data to back your assertion up? I know you don't believe it, you've just been so inculcated with leftist dogma that you feel that you have to say it. You know the real reason they wear it; because they're afraid that if they don't they'll get the crap kicked out of them by their husband/brother/father. I know you know this, you're just terrified to say so, even anonymously on a message board for fear of being labeled and intolerant Islamaphobe. That is sad.
Personally I find it abhorrent when a government goes so authoritarian they find it feasible to ban personal clothing (beyond excessive body exposure).
The Danes would be much better off adjusting their immigration standards, then trying to play catch up with stupid clothing bans after the fact.
Yet ironically you apparently do not fond it abhorrent that a specific sect of a major religion demands that a woman completely cover her face for fear of arousing a man that is not her husband, and lest she defy that rule she'll get the crap kicked out of her at the very least. Your selective moral outrage is interesting.
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