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Old 06-01-2018, 04:18 PM
 
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There is no logical reason to force grids to buy coal when there are cheaper resources.

There is no logical reason to force them to buy renewable resources and subsidize it to boot.
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Old 06-01-2018, 04:27 PM
 
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There is no logical reason to force them to buy renewable resources and subsidize it to boot.
Except what what this is doing is forcing grids to buy coal and nuclear when there are cheaper resources.

"...concluding that coal and nuclear retirements were largely the result of “long-standing drop in electricity demand relative to previous expectation and years of low electric prices driven by high natural gas availability.” The draft also found that those retirements posed little threat to the stability of the grid, noting that “the power system is more reliable today due to better planning, market discipline, and better operating rules and standards.”

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-emer...-2dd7e1ea58ac/

Forcing American citizens to pay more for energy in order to send money to coal companies which are big Trump supporters? There is absolutely no excuse for this. Why don't we force people to travel by horse in order to prop up the horseshoe industry?
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Old 06-01-2018, 04:40 PM
 
Location: The South
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Not exactly “free market economics” if true.



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...lants-jhv94ghl

Ron Brownstein
If the plants that burn coal have already been decommissioned, they are not coming back. My former company has already scrapped more than 15 coal plants during the obuma years. Better hope the natural gas dream keeps on working.
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Old 06-01-2018, 04:46 PM
 
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Except what what this is doing is forcing grids to buy coal and nuclear when there are cheaper resources.

To reiterate power distributors are already mandate to buy or produce renewable resources. What you said was is these resources are cheaper thus there is no logical reason to force them to buy them or subsidize them, correct?


You are trying to argue both sides of the coin.
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Old 06-01-2018, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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one- looking forward to all the Trump lemmings who praise the free market spinning this one


two- gotta love an admin who's intrinsic mantra is let's look back to the 50's....


US used to be about leading through innovation. Now we're the Back to the Future nation....



Yep, China and the rest of the world keep moving ahead, and we are regressing into the 20th century. I don't know about you guys, but riding horses and heating my home with coal is not exactly appealing to me.
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Old 06-01-2018, 04:52 PM
 
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No longer a "plan", but now a direct order to DOE: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...g-coal-plants/


https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.76b6813190fd
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Old 06-01-2018, 05:03 PM
 
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To reiterate power distributors are already mandate to buy or produce renewable resources. What you said was is these resources are cheaper thus there is no logical reason to force them to buy them or subsidize them, correct?

You are trying to argue both sides of the coin.
Here is an article that explains all the ways coal is subsidized both regulatory and directly. Renewable resources don't come close.

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-envir...ergy-subsidies

And for all of that, coal and nuclear is still going out of business. Now they want to force us to buy it. All because coal miners want to be modern day travel agents - except there were more travel agents than coal miners and no one cried over their loss of jobs.
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Old 06-01-2018, 05:03 PM
 
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Except what what this is doing is forcing grids to buy coal and nuclear when there are cheaper resources.

"...concluding that coal and nuclear retirements were largely the result of “long-standing drop in electricity demand relative to previous expectation and years of low electric prices driven by high natural gas availability.” The draft also found that those retirements posed little threat to the stability of the grid, noting that “the power system is more reliable today due to better planning, market discipline, and better operating rules and standards.”

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-emer...-2dd7e1ea58ac/

Forcing American citizens to pay more for energy in order to send money to coal companies which are big Trump supporters? There is absolutely no excuse for this. Why don't we force people to travel by horse in order to prop up the horseshoe industry?

Posted a link to WP story which pretty much spells out a response to your query. This latest action is nothing more than thug behavior from the WH forcing the energy markets to cater (and reward) his supporters in Big Coal.


Sad thing is the poor deluded persons living and or whatever involved with coal will eat this up and believe that thing is on a "comeback" or something similar. Not a bit of it....


The handwriting is on wall, coal is dying out for energy production and there isn't anything His Orangeness can do to reverse that decline in long run. Oh he may prop things up enough to win re-election (or at least votes in affected states), but that will only be a temporary reprieve. In two or seven years when someone sane enters the WH things can (and likely will) go the other way and that will be that.


Yet you'll still have hundreds if not thousands of coal people still poor, still deluded and totally unprepared for what will surely come down the pike.


Coal has been dying out since the 1950's, and smart persons left that industry, Appalachia and so forth long ago. What is left are those who for various reasons known only to themselves keep believing coal will make some sort of huge come back.
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Old 06-01-2018, 05:05 PM
 
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Because of course it is. This country needs to split. There is no logical reason we should have to pay more to heat our homes because Trump wants us to send coal miners money. Have a telethon for them or something. Tell the to go back to school. Obama offered them retraining and they refused it. Now we have coal miner welfare coming out of our pockets. This is sickening.
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Old 06-01-2018, 05:06 PM
 
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Yep, China and the rest of the world keep moving ahead,

China burns about 5 times the coal we do and that is not slowing down. Roughly between 2000 and 2010 their consumption rate increased the total amount we burn. Over the next 30 or 40 years they will burn through their domestic supply and every piece of coal they can import because the fact is they will never be able to meet the ever increasing energy demands of 1.3 billion people without it.







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and heating my home with coal is not exactly appealing to me.

Why not?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQT6CVC2sOc











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