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Old 06-07-2018, 06:49 AM
 
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Manafort will have his day in court but now he will have to wait for it in prison.
And it might not be just ONE day if Manafort won't offer any personal testimony...but I can't imagine the defense has much of a case to to rebut Mueller's avalanche of testimony...
I know he has the right NOT to testify---but how can his team contradict anything Mueller has as evidence that comes FROM Manafort's own documents that impune his claim of innocence????

From what I understand--so much of what Mueller has against Manafort is derived from HIS OWN/Manafort's own record keeping/documents/emails...

In other words, Manafort basically self-convicts 1) because there was the physical evidence to be discovered, and
2) he can't refute he did it w/o taking the stand---which I am sure we all agree is the one thing he won't do...

Does anyone think there are witnesses for the defense who will challenge the evidence Mueller has collected???
There will be no bloody glove in this case to save his ass like it did OJ's
And Mueller's team is run by someone more competent than the prosecution (Garcetti--not Marsha Clark) in OJ's case...
Mueller is not running for office and looking over his shoulder...
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Old 06-07-2018, 06:58 AM
 
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Nah, this is his lawyer for a bunch of real estate deals. And as I recall many of those deals were fraudulent in nature. I'm unsure if the lawyers involved would have known. But what they can or should do is a pretty complex topic from their viewpoint.
Just like Stormy Daniel's first attorney is proving to be working in league with Cohen to provide her less than a vigorous and personally-invested representation (a Cohen minion), likely Manafort's attorneys over the decades knew enough to know they were breaking the law...
Maybe they thought they were protecting themselves from being tainted by dealing with someone like Manafort-- maybe they didn't care as long as the checks didn't bounce...
We are seeing more and more with all these revealed "dirty" deals how criminal the legal community who facilitates them in the world of commerce actually are...

Someone referred to the Boston attorneys who fronted all the NDA's/settlements between the children abused by pedophile priests in the Catholic Boston diocese over decades--the ones who supposedly "protected" the victims by buying their silence against the Church's concealing of generations of abuse....
Those attorneys were officers of the court--
They took at OATH to deal honorably and ethically, following the laws--
And they turned what they did into a cottage industry of working as the Church's henchmen...
THEY should have been charged and disbarred for conspiracy IMO...but lawyers protect lawyers just like doctors protect doctors...

And since many members of state/federal legislatures are attorneys and judges have always come from those ranks, self-policing is rarely done with any kind of rigorous standards of enforcement...
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Old 06-07-2018, 07:09 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Did I say he did? He *did* try to keep the innocent men in prison after someone else put them there.
According to Nancy Gertner, who was the federal judge presiding over the case, Mueller had no involvement in the case at all and was never even mentioned. This shoots down the accusation by Dershowitz, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and other Trump toadies that Mueller tried to keep four innocent men in prison. I'd say the judge in this case has a little more credibility than Dershowitz, Hannity, or Limbaugh. If you google "Opinion--Smearing Robert Mueller--the New York Times" you can find Judge Gertner's complete statement regarding this case.

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Old 06-07-2018, 07:48 AM
 
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According to Nancy Gertner, who was the federal judge presiding over the case, Mueller had no involvement in the case at all and was never even mentioned. This shoots down the accusation by Dershowitz, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and other dishonest whack jobs that Mueller tried to keep four innocent men in prison. I'd say the judge in the case has a little more credibility than Dershowitz, Hannity, or Limbaugh. If you google "Opinion--Smearing Robert Mueller--the New York Times" you can find Judge Gertner's complete statement regarding this case.
Can't rep you again, but thank you for this clear and concise post.

Sadly for all of us, such smear tactics are likely to increase greatly as the investigation progresses, and there are many who will welcome them with open arms. The frequently misspelled, sometimes anti-Semitic, anti-Black, and misogynist comments on the Dershowitz article originally cited offer more than ample proof of just how eager many Trump supporters are to use anything they can, facts be damned, to condemn Mueller.

Several even blamed him for the uranium deal. Another said that the FBI originated in Imperial Rome.

Like I noted, they'll use anything they can - and they don't hesitate to make stuff up to fit their agenda.
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Old 06-07-2018, 07:58 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Can't rep you again, but thank you for this clear and concise post.

Sadly for all of us, such smear tactics are likely to increase greatly as the investigation progresses, and there are many who will welcome them with open arms. The frequently misspelled, sometimes anti-Semitic, anti-Black, and misogynist comments on the Dershowitz article originally cited offer more than ample proof of just how eager many Trump supporters are to use anything they can, facts be damned, to condemn Mueller.

Several even blamed him for the uranium deal. Another said that the FBI originated in Imperial Rome.

Like I noted, they'll use anything they can - and they don't hesitate to make stuff up to fit their agenda.
Yes, the only question is how low will they stoop. When I see a little hack like Sean Hannity smearing a straight arrow American patriot like Robert Mueller I literally want to vomit.
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:18 AM
 
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According to Nancy Gertner, who was the federal judge presiding over the case, Mueller had no involvement in the case at all and was never even mentioned. This shoots down the accusation by Dershowitz, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and other Trump toadies that Mueller tried to keep four innocent men in prison. I'd say the judge in this case has a little more credibility than Dershowitz, Hannity, or Limbaugh. If you google "Opinion--Smearing Robert Mueller--the New York Times" you can find Judge Gertner's complete statement regarding this case.
The truth never interfers w/Trump's ignorence or that of his alt-right supporters
The refusal to admit the innocence of Central Park 5 proves that
Mueller's innocence is the same
They can't argue the facts--so just lie...
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Old 06-14-2018, 08:35 AM
 
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Special Counsel and Godsend Robert Mueller getting ready to drop the hammer on Manafort tomorrow:



https://twitter.com/rblumel/status/1007265226570502144
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Old 06-14-2018, 09:42 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Mueller filed a motion this evening to revoke Manafort's bail for witness tampering.

But he is innocent and it's a witch hunt!!



Manaforts attorneys have not been afforded their legal right to discovery. But Mueller is going to publicly release a witness list of people Manafort conspired with after the indictments??
Naw? Say it ain't so! Par for the coarse... KGB is alive and working hard in Merica.
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Old 06-14-2018, 09:59 AM
 
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Manaforts attorneys have not been afforded their legal right to discovery. But Mueller is going to publicly release a witness list of people Manafort conspired with after the indictments??
Naw? Say it ain't so! Par for the coarse... KGB is alive and working hard in Merica.
Sorry things aren't going your way. The thought of Manafort and/or Cohen cooperating with feds must have Trump voters terrified.

Trump supporters are getting desperate. Meuller is doing good work for America! God bless Robert Mueller.
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Old 06-14-2018, 10:58 AM
 
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Manaforts attorneys have not been afforded their legal right to discovery. But Mueller is going to publicly release a witness list of people Manafort conspired with after the indictments??
Naw? Say it ain't so! Par for the coarse... KGB is alive and working hard in Merica.
Crap
Manafort's attornies have been delinquent in producing THEIR list of witnesses and other evidence they are required by law to provide to the prosecution
If you are calling the kettle black--then be prepared to do with the the pot as well...
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