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Old 06-08-2018, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Add to that the billions upon billions that we hand over to the Military Industrial Complex year after year, astronomical amounts that dwarf the next 10 countries combined, and you have the REAL reason we can't afford what every other country in the world manages to provide to their citizens.

But God help us, we can't touch that defense boondoggle, nor can we take one thin dime away from the billionaires and trillionaires who benefit greatly from this country but do not pay their proportional share for the great wealth they amass at our expense.

We can afford it. The real question is, do we want to do what it takes to have it? And the answer seems to be no.
actually our defense spending is right in line with nearly every country as a percentage of the gdp
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Old 06-08-2018, 02:53 PM
 
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its not about the boogeyman of the billionaires and millionaires … its about everytime the fascist liberals say tax the rich, they kill the middleclass


I don't like insurance, never have...sorry I don't fall for the con-job of "pay me now, incase you have a need later"



why is it you guys keep pushing the "every single country has it"..... so what every single country in Europe is slowly dying too... do you want to join them???...…
It has nothing to do with Europe. Every single developed country has it. Israel, who I am sure you love also has it. Japan as well. Korea. Australia. The least is endless.

So you are saying you dont like insurance, but you want to hand over the health care industry to these people? Why? These are the same people who have gone to war against the working class of America. Taxes are lower today than 30 years ago. The reason the billionaire class is winning against the working class is not because taxes are higher today than 30 or 50 years ago. Its because the billionaire class is highly organized and focused on the task at hand; making sure the enemy, the working class, is downtrodden, weak and desperate.
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Old 06-08-2018, 02:56 PM
 
Location: London
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@wch #88 (sorry but that's a long post to quote lol)

Mirror, Mirror 2017: International Comparison Reflects Flaws and Opportunities for Better U.S. Health Care

https://www.americashealthrankings.o...-other-nations

The Americans die earlier statistically than those in countries with universal healthcare.

Sorry, but Americans seriously get a pretty raw deal when it comes to healthcare.
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Old 06-08-2018, 02:56 PM
 
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actually our defense spending is right in line with nearly every country as a percentage of the gdp
thats funny.
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Old 06-08-2018, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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The (D)'s got routed the day Pelosi said “We need to pass the bill in order to find out what is in it.â€
If people want to be dumb about what that meant, that's on them. But thanks for pointing out that it wasn't facts that fueled the rout, but rather a disinformation campaign about something true.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:00 PM
 
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If people want to be dumb about what that meant, that's on them. But thanks for pointing out that it wasn't facts that fueled the rout, but rather a disinformation campaign about something true.
Obama promised to do health care out in the open for everyone to hear and then post it online for everyone to read before it was voted on.

That ended up no less of a lie than Trump's.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:03 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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We were able to afford $700 billion to bail out private banks...
That's a pittance. Fannie and Freddie got $2 trillion.

Always follow the money...

The cause was the Fed Gov forcing lenders to give mortgages to people who never should have qualified, and then forcing Fannie and Freddie to buy the mortgages, securitize them, and sell them as investments (MBS) to foreign governments and worldwide financial institutions and investors.

HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo (Clinton Admin) announced a $2.4 trillion mandate to Fannie and Freddie to buy loans from high-risk borrowers to expand home ownership. I'll post a link to the press release if anyone wishes, but anyone can easily google it themselves.

The Federal Reserve then had to buy $2 trillion worth of those Fannie and Freddie MBS to prevent the credit crisis from precipitating a full-blown global crash. But they did so with CREATED money. QE. Not money that actually existed. And it can never be reversed, still having a $1.74 trillion outstanding debt obligation 10 years later.

They'll roll off as they mature, paid or not. Meanwhile, the US$ was devalued by that $2 trillion in QE that can't be reined back in.

De facto bailout for Freddie and Fannie? - Roosevelt Forward

Proof that $2 trillion in QE was created to bail out Fannie and Freddie. The Federal Reserve STILL has $1.77 trillion worth of Fannie and Freddie MBS on its H.4.1.

The Federal Reserve's Agency (Agency = GSE: Fannie and Freddie) MBS (Mortgage-Backed Securities) in 2008: $0
FRB: H.4.1 Release--Factors Affecting Reserve Balances--December 4, 2008

The Federal Reserve's current Agency (GSE: Fannie and Freddie) MBS: $1.74 Trillion
https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/current/

Oh, and just for grins... Tens of thousands of mortgage borrowers, if not more, will get their homes for free as this all continues to play out and their mortgage debt just rolls off the Federal Reserves H.4.1, unpaid...

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/30/b...k-expires.html
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Obama promised to do health care out in the open for everyone to hear and then post it online for everyone to read before it was voted on.

That ended up no less of a lie than Trump's.
Ok. I see you've run out of arguments, but at least you're not lying anymore.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:08 PM
 
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Medicare for all would alone cost more than the entire budget of the US Federal Government. It is an impossibility.
But the Communists, I mean dumbocrats, want EVERYTHING to be free!!!
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:11 PM
 
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But the Communists, I mean dumbocrats, want EVERYTHING to be free!!!
Beat that drum all day if it feels good but everyone knows universal health care would have a cost, limitation and compromises. Right now we supplement 2/3s of the cost of Medicare for seniors and we pay for Medicare Part D and we pay for their nursing home care via Medicaid. Are we going around screaming at little old ladies in line at the pharmacy? It's all ridiculous. If we had universal health coverage, many more people would have the chance to become entrepreneurs because they could focus on that great business idea instead of fearing losing health coverage. So many wasted opportunities.
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