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Old 06-18-2018, 09:40 AM
 
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You are the one that wrote your rate of return in this market is .01 tp 1%, not me. If you are earning less than 1% rate of return in this market, you are making some incredibly bad mistakes. The US market and US economy are booming. The SPX returned more than 16% in the past year alone. Again, if you are complaining that you are only able to earn less than 1% on your savings, then you need to get some very elementary education of handling personal finances.
So yeah, you can't back up what you said. Savers are not doing very well. Why not just say you misspoke?
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Old 06-18-2018, 09:41 AM
 
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Yes. For starters some understanding of the yield curve. Current 1 year treasury=2.35%. 5 year=2.81%. 10 year=2.93%. Five year note looks fairly attractive. Close to 3%. Most of the yield of the 10 year note with less risk.
2.35 means you are doing very well?
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Old 06-18-2018, 10:01 AM
 
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So yeah, you can't back up what you said. Savers are not doing very well. Why not just say you misspoke?
Since most people consider their retirement savings to be in equities and bonds , annuities etc. dontchathink its a little silly to use M2 for "savings" terminology?
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Old 06-18-2018, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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So yeah, you can't back up what you said. Savers are not doing very well. Why not just say you misspoke?
Emil addressed your post quite well, actually. You said that savings accounts were getting .01% to 1%, and asked how that was doing well. Emil said that if you have all of your savings in savings accounts making that little interest you are making mistakes. Not sure why you say that your statement wasn't addressed, since it makes perfect sense to someone reading the posts.
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Old 06-18-2018, 10:07 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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2.35 means you are doing very well?
I was demonstrating how the yield curve works. Ordinarily the further out on the curve (the longer the time to maturity) the higher the yield. How you got from there to me saying "2.35 means you are doing very well" is a mystery to me. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that rather than being completely ignorant of the basics of saving and investing you are just being intentionally obtuse.
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Old 06-18-2018, 10:59 AM
 
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Emil addressed your post quite well, actually. You said that savings accounts were getting .01% to 1%, and asked how that was doing well. Emil said that if you have all of your savings in savings accounts making that little interest you are making mistakes. Not sure why you say that your statement wasn't addressed, since it makes perfect sense to someone reading the posts.
He was wrong. Savers are not doing well.
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Old 06-18-2018, 11:00 AM
 
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I was demonstrating how the yield curve works. Ordinarily the further out on the curve (the longer the time to maturity) the higher the yield. How you got from there to me saying "2.35 means you are doing very well" is a mystery to me. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that rather than being completely ignorant of the basics of saving and investing you are just being intentionally obtuse.
I am disputing the idea that savers are doing well.
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Old 06-18-2018, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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He was wrong. Savers are not doing well.
Savers are doing better than spenders. Investors are doing better than savers. Again, if all you're doing with your savings is letting your bank use it then you aren't going to do great - you'll do better than spenders, but not by much. If, however, you put that savings into the right account you will do quite well in the current market.
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Old 06-18-2018, 01:07 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Savers are doing better than spenders. Investors are doing better than savers. Again, if all you're doing with your savings is letting your bank use it then you aren't going to do great - you'll do better than spenders, but not by much. If, however, you put that savings into the right account you will do quite well in the current market.
i.e. putting it under the mattress.
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Old 06-18-2018, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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i.e. putting it under the mattress.
Basically, yes. I stopped doing that once I figured out how compound interest works.
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