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Old 06-20-2018, 06:16 PM
 
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The illegal immigrants story was exposed when Trump was running. It's easier to assume that every single thing Trump complains about, he has done himself or is doing more of himself. Whether it is hiring illegals, outsourcing manufacturing, campaigning on tax payer money, pay to play, profiting while in office, golf, vacations, business failures, even wasting taxpayer money on security. He does it all shamelessly while hugging a flag and that's all it takes for his supporters, who will rush to his defense no matter what it is. And if there's no defense, they shrug and say he's a businessman, as if that inoculates him from everything.
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Old 06-20-2018, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Yeah, and I understand the meaning of the phrase "the buck stops here" also.
and we haven't seen that since Truman (great President)(that is what we need, another Truman)... from either party, nor from majority of businesses
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Old 06-20-2018, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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wrong again..
trump inc.. is not Donald trump personally

trump inc hired a contractor.. who then did an ILLEGAL thing

trump inc ended up paying for the contractor ''error'' (crime)


you do understand the difference between corporations (C, S and LLC) and sole proprietor ?? and the legal/liability difference??
Did you even open the link?
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Old 06-20-2018, 06:26 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Trump personally paid them. See post #11 for details.
That isn't how I read it. I read it that at one point A Trump owned company took over pay payroll from a Contractor. No where does it say that Donald Trump personally paid anyone.
Perhaps we have a difference of what personally means.
Me: I personally took money from my wallet or wrote a check to pay the bill.
You: One of many companies owned by an individual made payroll. = personally
I would agree with you if Trump had a small company where he was personally signing checks.
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Old 06-20-2018, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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That isn't how I read it. I read it that at one point A Trump owned company took over pay payroll from a Contractor. No where does it say that Donald Trump personally paid anyone.
Perhaps we have a difference of what personally means.
Me: I personally took money from my wallet or wrote a check to pay the bill.
You: One of many companies owned by an individual made payroll. = personally
I would agree with you if Trump had a small company where he was personally signing checks.
Trump commented on the fact that the illegal Polish workers were on the jobsite, and if he didn't know his organization was paying the bills directly, he's not much of a manager.

Therefore: He knew they were illegal, he knew they were on his jobsite, and he knew he was paying them. That makes him an accessory. If he had been opposed to illegals he woulfd have fired the contractor and turned him in for labor violations. But that's not how the Mafia works, is it...?

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Old 06-20-2018, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Did you even open the link?
how do you think I got the name of the contractor...


the issue was the contractor...
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Old 06-20-2018, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Check out the podcast Trump, Inc. It's kinda an open source investigation into all things Trump.

The level of corruption is amazing, both before and after the Presidency.
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Old 06-20-2018, 06:42 PM
 
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38-39 years ago
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Old 06-20-2018, 06:47 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Trump commented on the fact that the illegal Polish workers were on the jopbsite, and if he didn't know his organization was paying the bills directly, he's not much of a manager.

Therefore: He knew they were illegal, he knew they were on his jobsite, and he knew he was paying them. That makes him an accessory. If he had been opposed to illegals he woulfd have fired the contractor and turned him in for labor violations. But that's not how the Mafia works, is it...?
You have succeeded in moving your goal posts.
You now admit that he did not personally pay the illegals. You have changed your argument to he was an accessory and that if he didn't know a part of his org was paying the bills he wasn't much of a manager.
I would argue that it depends upon how big the org is.
You then state that he knew they were illegal and should have reported them. The left will criticize people for turning in illegals. Back then Trump was a democrat. There was no law for verifying legal status of your employees much less those of a sub contractor. As far as I know there is still no law for verifying the legal status of employees or sub contractors employees.
Making E-Verify a federal requirement would fix that loophole employers use.
Look I detest Trump, and I hate to argue for him. He is bad enough where we dont need to make things up to make him look bad. Hammer the orange idiot on his actual stupid mistakes.
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Old 06-20-2018, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Trump commented on the fact that the illegal Polish workers were on the jopbsite, and if he didn't know his organization was paying the bills directly, he's not much of a manager.

Therefore: He knew they were illegal, he knew they were on his jobsite, and he knew he was paying them. That makes him an accessory. If he had been opposed to illegals he woulfd have fired the contractor and turned him in for labor violations. But that's not how the Mafia works, is it...?
no.. you didn't read you own link

trump commented of how good the polish (not knowing they were illegal) workers were.... " those polish guys do good work"..... same as we said when "the Irish guys did good work" on building the empire state building in one year.... took union guys 10+ years to build the world trade center 100 years later.... immigrants (legal) do very good work, that the lazy US unions cant


I served with (and am still friends with) a guy from Italy (born and raised in Italy).. he came to the US, (legally), then joined the US military, holds a dual citizenship …. one of the hardest (and best) workers I ever met... even he would tell you, the unions of today are too corrupt



the entire area of Greenpoint, Brooklyn was once all Polish (99.9% legal)
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