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If you don't have a natural aversion to any argument that begins with, "why can't we just force the populous to do what I want", then you have very little respect for your fellow man.
True enough but all too often your fellow man also has no respect for you. And that fellow man is often times your employer. I'm not agreeing with the premise that American companies should be forced to provide European level vacation time and benefits by the way. I'm saying we should not give the lower classes a greater responsibility to be altruistic towards his fellow man than we give to his social and economic betters.
True enough but all too often your fellow man also has no respect for you. And that fellow man is often times your employer. I'm not agreeing with the premise that American companies should be forced to provide European level vacation time and benefits by the way. I'm saying we should not give the lower classes a greater responsibility to be altruistic towards his fellow man than we give to his social and economic betters.
For the lower classes, there is no such thing as respect unless they *take* it.
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Don't legally mandate US workers to be less competitive.
Somebody should give President Trump this message.
As it relates to the OP: I agree with other posters, PTO should not be mandated. I am in favor of child labor laws, and generally speaking, in favor of 40 hour work weeks for non-exempt workers. Otherwise, let the labor market sort it out.
I understand that America isn’t Europe, Canada, Australia or New Zealand; but why can’t we mandate paid vacation/holidays/sick days (PTO) & paid parental leave? Those countries seems to do fine and their taxes are not higher than certain U.S. states not mandating that.
American workers will be happier, be more productive and overall better society. 5 weeks of paid vacation annually and 1 year parental leave is paradise.
An example, fast food worker in Scandinavia earns much more than typical fast food American worker and receives full benefits and workers rights!
I don’t need government to mandate anything for me.
Hello Uncle Bully. I seem to find you in most threads I post in. Always nice to see you.......
No, we do not have slave wages. Nothing to write home about though........ The minimum wage here in England is roughly $10.20 per hour. Most people earn more than that of course. People earning such low wages can claim tax credits, help with rent, and all families get child allowance.
Vacation time is similar to how it has been for many years. It's always been this way, not a recent thing.
Do you not have wage suppression because of immigration in America? I seem to remember reading real US wages have not climbed for 30 years allowing for inflation.
It doesn't seem a lot to ask for hard working folks to get proper vacation time. That's the way we see it anyway.
I am not in love with diversity. You seem to have the idea I'm some sort of left winger. Far from it. But at the same time, I don't like seeing working folks treated like slaves.
Oh we do, for sure. That's my point. It's tough to call for employers to give their employees 6 weeks vacation when you have contract workers who get zero vacation or migrants who are willing to work for peanuts because they weren't even getting peanuts in the third world hellhole they migrated from. I'm not accusing you of being a left winger by the way. I'm speaking of what looks to me to be a general Euro impression of globalism and diversity.
Earlier in the thread someone posted a link to a post outlining the difference in pay between Scandinavian Americans and Scandinavians living in Scandinavia. Another interesting point brought up in that post was about the success of those countries being in part attributed to high trust and social cohesion. I think that as time goes by and Europe gets to experience more and more of this globalism and diversity you're going to see a lot less trust and social cohesion. Some people are still stuck in a denial phase it seems but others are coming around slowly. You have laws over there that criminalize certain speech and that slows the process down, especially as the definition of what that kind of forbidden speech is becomes wider.
Edit: by the way I'm not following you around here...I guess we are just drawn to the same threads.
I understand that America isn’t Europe, Canada, Australia or New Zealand; but why can’t we mandate paid vacation/holidays/sick days (PTO) & paid parental leave? Those countries seems to do fine and their taxes are not higher than certain U.S. states not mandating that.
American workers will be happier, be more productive and overall better society. 5 weeks of paid vacation annually and 1 year parental leave is paradise.
An example, fast food worker in Scandinavia earns much more than typical fast food American worker and receives full benefits and workers rights!
Scandinavian Socialism, the dream of many far left Progressives, will never fly in the USA.
Why?
Because we just have too many groups who hate each other. It's a price we pay for being a country where everybody has ancestors from everywhere. Unfortunately, humans are very tribal. It might be OK for me to support my tribe, but not your tribe. That's particularly true if that other guy happens to be a different race.
Look where socialism works. For example, visit Japan. They are just one big tribe and they amazingly all look similar. They do have universal health care and everyone supports it.
For the lower classes, there is no such thing as respect unless they *take* it.
Yep. Work retail for a while. See the upper class people screaming about how they found this item in their grandfathers house and it should be returned as it is unused (and at least 7 years old and no receipt. Had that one at my second job several months ago) or buy a generator right before the hurricane, use it for 200 hours then think you get to return it without a hefty restock fee...
Paid parental leave, unfortunately, incentives women to have babies out of wedlock.
I agree that too many people just "play house" with whoever and don't really think of the consequences on a child, but if someone is having a baby just for a few weeks of leave (which seems doubtful) there are much bigger problems.
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In the U.S., many consider it lazy, dishonest, or even criminal for workers to advocate for their own interests- particularly via a union. But they consider it brave and manly to stick up for the interests of downtrodden billionaires.
We wax philosophical on the hardships of the rich, while reviling the poor (even our own family members)... and support laws locking people up for the crime of not having money.
It's a sick culture here, awash in propaganda.
Yes. Even when unions have problems with the way they are run (which the opponents always seem to point out while ignoring the benefits) or demand unreasonable things, people need to remember history and the value of why they formed to begin with. They were formed to deal with the some of the worst case scenarios of employers behaving badly and unethically towards employees and level the balance of power that naturally exists in the relationship. Some are well run, some aren't, but casting them aside is inviting the worst of the worst to exploit their workers. And you're right that corporate welfare and the outlandish golden parachutes of incompetent, malevolent CEOs get glossed over by many of the very people who spread their anti-union propaganda.
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I do notice the reviling of the poor, just from threads here in Politics. I don't know why that is. Maybe a fear of ending up that way themselves. There is little compassion, and a lot of blaming the poor people themselves for their misfortune.
Yes, and they seem to spend an inordinate amount of time doing so.
I understand that America isn’t Europe, Canada, Australia or New Zealand; but why can’t we mandate paid vacation/holidays/sick days (PTO) & paid parental leave? Those countries seems to do fine and their taxes are not higher than certain U.S. states not mandating that.
American workers will be happier, be more productive and overall better society. 5 weeks of paid vacation annually and 1 year parental leave is paradise.
An example, fast food worker in Scandinavia earns much more than typical fast food American worker and receives full benefits and workers rights!
Well if we can build the wall, we can use the money saved caring for illegal aliens and chain migration and use it for other purposes.
those other countries are not comparable to the USA on so many levels.
Society prefers people working at low paying jobs improve their situation through hard work which engenders self respect. The effort put forth to improve one's quality of life as well as achieving more meaning work, job vs career, provides no small benefit to everyone in society. everyone has an obligation to contribute, low pay is the fuel required to increase that contribution. Kind of like socialism/communism in a way as the end point is intended to benefit all.
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The minimum wage here in England is roughly $10.20 per hour. Most people earn more than that of course. People earning such low wages can claim tax credits, help with rent, and all families get child allowance.
