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Old 06-23-2018, 02:28 PM
 
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The NYT flips a coin every morning...

Heads: Save the earth! Growing Population is the biggest strain on the environment that we are killing!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/24/o...tml?ref=oembed

https://www.thoughtco.com/population...oblems-1203586

Tails: Let in millions and millions more people...cut down more forests to make room for suburb growth, clear more land for resources!
Yep. Using the latest annual population growth rate for the US of .7% and the average number of people per household of 2.58, our population rises by 6,280 each and every day which equates to 2,434 more houses, apartments, and condos each and every day and all of the other development (schools, shopping, medical etc needed to support an additional 6,280 people. This is the equivalent of almost adding another Chicago each and every year. That's a whole lot of resources.
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Old 06-23-2018, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Born in L.A. - NYC is Second Home - Rustbelt is Home Base
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Sure let's bring in millions more uneducated unskilled people that will never be fully self supporting. That's a great move if we aspire to 3rd world status.
...send them to ca and nyc
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Old 06-23-2018, 02:32 PM
 
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This is non-sense! We are FLOODED with illegal immigrants. They are EVERYWHERE. Trust me I work with the public. I live no where near the border and half the people I deal with(general population) are illegal. How do I know? Because I supply a service that requires a social security number and half the people I deal with dont have one and half the people I deal with don't speak english.
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Old 06-23-2018, 02:38 PM
 
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I'm conflicted. The hardline anti-immigrant faction in American politics represents the antithesis of what America is all about with either overtly or covertly xenophobic and/or racist intentions. On the other hand, it seems that there are many people who are willing to put the interests of 7 billion foreigners ahead of 320 million Americans when it comes to immigration, trade, and foreign policy/aid. The truth is that immigrants can add value to American society while at the same time we can't simply accommodate anyone who has a sob story and shows up at our borders. It seems sense and reason is lost to most loudest of voices when it comes to this issue. Neither political party is offering a feasible solution to the inflows at our southern border. We can be compassionate and humane, while still controlling our own border. It seems "conservatives" have lost sense of the former, while "liberals" don't care about the latter. Thumbs down to all of you dimwitted partisans who help perpetuate this mess.
Currently, only a small number of republicans are against LEGAL immigration at current levels.

Currently, most democrats are for ILLEGAL immigration.

Just setting out the landscape, people can decide for themselves which strategy works with their life.
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Old 06-23-2018, 02:41 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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And since foreigners are better people than Americans...

... there's just no reason in this NYT writer's view, other than stupidity, to oppose open borders.



NYT
These thoughts are very similar to what Jeb Bush expressed in his book. No wonder Trump killed him.
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Old 06-23-2018, 02:42 PM
 
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This is non-sense! We are FLOODED with illegal immigrants. They are EVERYWHERE. Trust me I work with the public. I live no where near the border and half the people I deal with(general population) are illegal. How do I know? Because I supply a service that requires a social security number and half the people I deal with dont have one and half the people I deal with don't speak english.
Yeah, pretty much anyone that complains about "wage gaps", "wage stagnation", jobs without benefits etc. while supporting off-shoring of work and on-shoring of cheap illegal labor is not well educated on the topics and getting taken for a ride by talking points.
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Old 06-23-2018, 02:42 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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And since foreigners are better people than Americans...

... there's just no reason in this NYT writer's view, other than stupidity, to oppose open borders.



NYT
NYT has no concern for the environment apparently.
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Old 06-23-2018, 02:45 PM
 
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Too many illegals where I live. Traffic congestion, overcrowded schools and hospitals, rents sky high. Nothing good has come of it.
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Old 06-23-2018, 02:56 PM
 
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Yeah, pretty much anyone that complains about "wage gaps", "wage stagnation", jobs without benefits etc. while supporting off-shoring of work and on-shoring of cheap illegal labor is not well educated on the topics and getting taken for a ride by talking points.
Exactly, if they really wanted wages to rise what you would want is a workforce who demands fair wages, a shortage of labor with an influx in demand for the labor. Like what is happening in South Dakota where walmart employees are being paid $20 an hour. But that's not what they want. They want a voting populace that is more open their lawless socialist ideas, people who don't make much money or own property or businesses people who don't care as much about private property rights. They want middle class morality gone, the middle class people who vote for capitalism because they want the income mobility of it GONE. They want the middle class replaced with a permanent upper class who has lobbying power and a large permanent underclass, like what they have in latin-america(and California).
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Old 06-23-2018, 04:13 PM
 
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Yep. Using the latest annual population growth rate for the US of .7% and the average number of people per household of 2.58, our population rises by 6,280 each and every day which equates to 2,434 more houses, apartments, and condos each and every day and all of the other development (schools, shopping, medical etc needed to support an additional 6,280 people. This is the equivalent of almost adding another Chicago each and every year. That's a whole lot of resources.
Yep,
More farm land needed - more energy needed - more gasoline needed, etc...


Taking in a million people every year from poorer countries speeds up population growth as it gives us more and frees up resources to keep overproducing in those other countries...


...so we wind up with liberals who want to increase the country's population and by circumstance the world's population all while bemoaning how the world's population growth is killing the earth.
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