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MILLIONS, including many celebrities like Rush Limbaugh, have bought and sold "narcotics", yet only a very few ever see the inside of a prison.
Even a Pill Mill Doctor or Pharmacist or Big Corporation (CVS) that knowingly distributes 10's of thousands to millions of doses will never see any jail time.
Yet you think the street dealer deserves their colon ripped apart at knifepoint?
Please - explain why? Is that "law and order"?
Sounds more like Cruel and Unusual Punishment which is against our Constitution.
Sounds like some humans made a choice to behave as animals. It's a choice we all have. Fortunately most of us make the choice to behave as humans.
I like Singapores approach to drug dealers. Is it harsh? Yes. But how many deaths by drug overdose does Singapore have compared to the USA?
Rush was a drug dealer this is the first that I have heard of it. I wouldn't be surprised either if it were true.
Street drug dealers kill how many people per year and you think they should be cuddled and treated like low level criminals like jay walkers?
It's all about choices. Most of us make the right choice, some of us opt to behave as animals. That is on them.
Rape is not common in white and Asian prisons. But the US prison population is mostly black. As in all other categories of crime blacks are more common to be the criminal.
First you need to separate jail from prison. Jail is short time (less than a year in most cases so nobody wants to get in more trouble, they want to get out). Prison is the long haul.
Then you need to separate the bad prisons (max security) from the lesser minimum security. I would suspect the max security is going to be tougher than minimum.
6'4 210 lb violent inmate housed with a 5'7 skinny kid. Kid was serving 6 yrs, killer was a lifer. Kid was raped, beaten and stomped to death within hours of being switched to that cell. Killer got the death penalty in the subsequent trial. Guards ignored the screams and pleas from other inmates that could hear what was happening. Tough penalty for the kid who was almost done with his sentence for burglary.
Thats incredibly sad and tragic, but the prison IS LIABLE in that case then, Im sure any good lawyer would assist the family in suing the heck out of them.
Ultimately once a person is convicted to a prison term, they become state/fed property, and state/fed is responsible for them. 'Responsibility' has its pros and cons.
If you are part of a gang or ethnic group then you are probably safe in prison, as the Mexicans and South Americans look after their own, the blacks similarly form a group, and some white groups such as the Aryan Brotherhood or orgaised crime groups also look after each other. It's unlikely anyone who assault or try to rape a member of a gang, unless they wished to sign their own death warrant.
It's those that don't belong to a group or fit in that are vulnerable in prison and mental illness can make people even more vulnerable.
Part of the reason the US has such a large prison population is that there is a lack of mental health beds and hostels for the homeless, couple this with the war on drugs and drug gangs and you have the perfect storm.
I understand the gang thing, but what if Im a white guy but not racist? The Aryan brotherhood is a very racist organization!
We need to start holding prisons responsible for all of this, they are RESPONSIBLE (THAT MEANS LIABLE) for every person in their prison.
I understand the gang thing, but what if Im a white guy but not racist? The Aryan brotherhood is a very racist organization!
We need to start holding prisons responsible for all of this, they are RESPONSIBLE (THAT MEANS LIABLE) for every person in their prison.
Sadly most of the white gangs are racist, and it tends to be the other ethnic groups that stick together, so it's possible worse being white in some prisons, unless of course you join a racist group or are part of a respected organised crime organisation.
I totally agree that prisons need to have a duty of care, espeially in relation to velnerable prisoners.
Sadly most of the white gangs are racist, and it tends to be the other ethnic groups that stick together, so it's possible worse being white in some prisons, unless of course you join a racist group or are part of a respected organised crime organisation.
I totally agree that prisons need to have a duty of care, espeially in relation to velnerable prisoners.
A tall order.
I am guessing, but I would think the ratio of inmates to guards is 7:1. Prisons are vast complexes with inmates roaming around for showers, meals, work assignments, visits, treatment, etc. They generally run everything themselves except for security.
Such conditions do not allow for the necessary level of control.
Not to mention these are violent men. Your typical convict is not looking to reform. He is going to game the system, kill before he is killed, and stay atop the social pyramid. Rape is part of that. It is a power move to break weaker men and make them subservient.
I am guessing, but I would think the ratio of inmates to guards is 7:1. Prisons are vast complexes with inmates roaming around for showers, meals, work assignments, visits, treatment, etc. They generally run everything themselves except for security.
Such conditions do not allow for the necessary level of control.
Not to mention these are violent men. Your typical convict is not looking to reform. He is going to game the system, kill before he is killed, and stay atop the social pyramid. Rape is part of that. It is a power move to break weaker men and make them subservient.
In most countries staff to prison ratios and prison security depend on the prisons security grading.
High Security prisons usually have a much higher officer to prisoner ratio, and vulnerable prisoner units. These prisons look after thoe with long sentences or life sentences. Such prisons have specialist riot teams, dogs and CCTV and security everywhere. Whilst problem prisoners are often locked up 23 hours a day in their cells and have a cell to themselves.
Medium Secure prisons where less problematic and violent prisoners are generally housed tend to have a lower officer to prisoner ratio, however these prisoners have much shorter sentences and have more to lose by engaging in violence or criminality.
Low Secure and Open Prisons are where the most trusted inmates and those awaiting release are generally kept, the prisoners in such institutions receive more freedoms and have a better quality of life tha those in other prisons. They also receive rehabilitation to prepare them for release. These prisoners have nothing to gain and everything to lose by becoming involved in violence or serious crime.
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I understand the gang thing, but what if Im a white guy but not racist? The Aryan brotherhood is a very racist organization!
We need to start holding prisons responsible for all of this, they are RESPONSIBLE (THAT MEANS LIABLE) for every person in their prison.
That would be a daunting task. I worked in the prison system for a while. It would be next to impossible to maintain that type of order. You would have to have separate cells for every prisoner, have an incredible amount of staff, and somehow still maintain some sort of order. Who is going to pay for all of this???
In most countries staff to prison ratios and prison security depend on the prisons security grading.
High Security prisons usually have a much higher officer to prisoner ratio, and vulnerable prisoner units. These prisons look after thoe with long sentences or life sentences. Such prisons have specialist riot teams, dogs and CCTV and security everywhere. Whilst problem prisoners are often locked up 23 hours a day in their cells and have a cell to themselves.
Medium Secure prisons where less problematic and violent prisoners are generally housed tend to have a lower officer to prisoner ratio, however these prisoners have much shorter sentences and have more to lose by engaging in violence or criminality.
Low Secure and Open Prisons are where the most trusted inmates and those awaiting release are generally kept, the prisoners in such institutions receive more freedoms and have a better quality of life tha those in other prisons. They also receive rehabilitation to prepare them for release. These prisoners have nothing to gain and everything to lose by becoming involved in violence or serious crime.
Well sure, that is what we are talking about- Maximum Security Prisons. And I think my ratio, admittedly a guess, is probably true or close to it. You cannot watch over thousands of violent men 24/7 and stop everything. The guards cannot be everywhere all the time. And their priority is to survive themselves.
To squelch prison rape would require measures that would send the left and the ACLU into ever deeper hysterics.
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