America is in collapse. The second president John Adams gives insight (Jesus, money)

[scgraham]

John Adams, the 2nd president of the U.S., stated, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

[Fifty Seven]

Originally Posted by scgraham

John Adams, the 2nd president of the U.S., stated, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

I agree with this. Unfortunately immorality + liberty = misery in many cases. I suppose that is why people who do not appreciate liberty often promote immorality.

[kajo13]

Well, most religious people aren't moral. They violate their own covenants gratuitously. And countless atheists and agnostics are more moral than the most religious fanatics. That's quite the conundrum, then.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by Uncle Bully

I agree with this. Unfortunately immorality + liberty = misery in many cases. I suppose that is why people who do not appreciate liberty often promote immorality.

And just WHOM is to be trusted in determining WHAT is moral and WHAT is immoral?

[LifeIsGood01]

Fake people hide behind religion like Pence who talks to American Jesus, the Jesus who only cares about rich white kids. Trump is immoral on all grounds. All he cares about if power and money and stewing in his own hatred of anyone who does not agree with his foolish ways.

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by LifeIsGood01

...All he cares about if power and money and stewing in his own hatred of anyone who does not agree with his foolish ways.

Sounds like the far left. I see no difference.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by Mike930

Sounds like the far left. I see no difference.

The far left and the far right wrap around the circle and there is no difference where they meet.

[JAMS14]

Originally Posted by Mike930

Sounds like the far left. I see no difference.

The difference is the left doesn't hide behind phony piety. That's entirely the right's domain.

[scgraham]

Originally Posted by burdell

And just WHOM is to be trusted in determining WHAT is moral and WHAT is immoral?

The Constitution worked in John Adams days, but "it is wholly inadequate to the government of any other".

[burdell]

Originally Posted by scgraham

The Constitution worked in John Adams days, but "it is wholly inadequate to the government of any other".

So, you have no answer on the determination of moral or immoral.

In Adams's day, slavery was considered moral, should we be applying the standards of his days to today?