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Old 06-29-2018, 05:08 PM
 
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http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/t...ortion-rights/

Tony Perkins is an incredibly influential character on the religious right. He speaks at many conservative events and is a heavy opponent of LGBTQ rights in all areas (not just marriage) and proponent of conversion therapy. His "Family Research Council" is an offshot of James Dobson's "Focus on the Family."

While I agree that not everyone who voted for Trump is anti-gay, most GOP politicians won't think twice about pandering to their virulently homophobic base.

Dark times are coming in this country for those who aren't white, straight, male, and fundamentalist Christian.

If the Evangelical Christians don't want to go after gays, neither will the Republicans.

 
Old 06-29-2018, 05:11 PM
 
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If the Evangelical Christians don't want to go after gays, neither will the Republicans.
What's the difference?
 
Old 06-29-2018, 05:36 PM
 
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But how does gay marriage affect or harm you?

It really doesn't except that the effort to normalize homosexuality by extending marriage to same-sex unions uses the Orwellian tactics of the Ministry of Truth to change the meaning of a word, "marriage", by removing the previous meaning of the word.

That this has been done by side-stepping the democratic process and the previously expressed will of the people makes the effort even less acceptable to those of us that still believe that the will of the people reins supreme.

It's not the what.

It's the how and why.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 05:53 PM
 
Location: From Denver, CO to Hong Kong China
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Homosexuality is more normal and natural than believing in God ... We do not fight against natural tendencies, every time this happens societies become dysfunctional and always ready to social outbreak, the history of the West is full of examples of governments that would try to prevent human nature and were taken over by revolutions.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 05:56 PM
 
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Why, just because the Baptists are offended by it? Why should the Baptist definition of marriage be imposed on everyone? That's what will happen in most Southern states. Without Obergefell, Oklahoma for instance would probably never have legal gay marriage. There's also the issue of whether or not marriages performed in states that allow same-sex marriage should be recognized in those that don't.

SCOTUS belongs out of the issue, which is what will occur. Local govt gives more power to the people.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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If the Trumpists and other conservative factions make the mistake of targeting marriage options for all and reproductive freedom, they will be hit with a huge backlash from women voters, from all parts of the political spectrum. If they did have common sense, they would leave those incendiary issues alone. These matters of sexual identity and reproductive rights, usually go together as a package deal, regarding the philosophy of those appointed as judges and justices.

If Trump tries to ram an arch-conservative justice onto the Supreme Court in the near future, who would enable the opponents of those freedoms to win their legal cases, he may get a surprise at the confirmation hearings in the Senate. There are republican women senators who may nullify the nomination, feeling more solidarity with their constituents who would be badly affected, than with the bitter and punitive old men who wanted to make women subservient again. And there may be a few wise republican men in the Senate, who recognize the backlash they could personally suffer, by helping overthrow the balance of the court. With the small senate majority currently in place, it wouldn't take much to scuttle a nominee.

After the elections, the Senate may be lost to the Republicans. Either before or after the votes are counted, there may be no hope for a conservative stranglehold in the Supreme Court, so freedom lovers, take heart.

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Old 06-29-2018, 06:19 PM
 
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If the Trumpists and other conservative factions make the mistake of targeting marriage options for all and reproductive freedom, they will be hit with a huge backlash from women voters, from all parts of the political spectrum. If they did have common sense, they would leave those incendiary issues alone.

If Trump tries to ram an arch-conservative justice onto the Supreme Court in the near future, who would enable the opponents of those freedoms to win their legal cases, he may get a surprise at the confirmation hearings in the Senate. There are republican women senators who may nullify the nomination, feeling more solidarity with their constituents who would be badly affected, than with the bitter and punitive old men who wanted to make women subservient again.
Now, now, don't discourage Trump and his supporters. Let them have this ball and run with it. I want to see them truly go to town on this. How long have we had to listen to their whining about abortion and gay marriage? Abortion alone has been a 40 year whining fest.

Now it's either put up or shut up. Either overturn Roe V. Wade and deal with the fallout or shut up and accept it as law and quit crying to Democrats about it.

With Republicans controlling all facets of American government, we should never have to listen to Trump supporters again with regard to abortion and gay marriage.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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That this has been done by side-stepping the democratic process and the previously expressed will of the people...
Contract rights aren't subject to the "democratic process" or the "will of the people." They are inherent natural rights that are non-negotiable.

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...makes the effort even less acceptable to those of us that still believe that the will of the people reins supreme.
Property rights reign supreme, not the will of the people.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 06:33 PM
 
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http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/t...ortion-rights/

Tony Perkins is an incredibly influential character on the religious right.

Dark times are coming in this country for those who aren't white, straight, male, and fundamentalist Christian.
The GOP would be best served by leaving this issue alone. I am not a republican nor a baptist but I do know quite a few and most don't seem to care about this. And most Baptists I know care more about what other baptists they know as well as what their pastor thinks. Tony Perkins is not the Christian conservatives equivalent of the pope. It's not like he speaks and millions do what he tells them to do.

The real issue is abortion rights. Abortion is still a huge issue to the right. Whereas Marijuana and Gay rights are slowly fading away.

I expect once the new justice is confirmed. Roe v. Wade will be in a perilous situation.
 
Old 06-29-2018, 06:37 PM
 
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But how does gay marriage affect or harm you?

Do you actually think that gay marriage was about being accepted and so they can have their wonderful and loving relationships and celebrate it with their family and friends? Tell me another one. What was stopping them? Da guberment is a legal status.


Its about things like survivor benefits and transferring wealth. Group marriage is probably the next goal which will be provisioned to avoid the estate tax. It will just be the poor man's trust. The lefty morons were duped as they always are in creating a pathway to avoiding estate taxes. It will probably become an entire industry. Hilarious to see the lefties destroy their own platform isn't it?

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/gay-ma...ry?id=19512067

Marriage should be reserved for those who are legal guardians to children. Adults without children can have any ceremony they please, just no change in fiscal status. That would have been actual equality only in the not another entitlement direction. Unfortunately, like I always say, liberals are too stupid. They are even dumber than conservatives which is astounding.
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