Why do conservatives run the other way when it comes to debating libertarians? (state, claim)
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This is a troll thread. Libertarians and leftists getting together to troll conservatives in to justifying their existence. Two sets of extremes looking to wipe out any middle ground. If conservatives sometimes have trouble discussing things with libertarians it's because they have some sympathies with the libertarian ideology but find them to be absolutists with closed minds and no ability to understand consequences. Sometimes they are indistinguishable from anarchists. The end result of anarchy is government run by a new set of thugs so that's pretty much a non starter.
I once thought I was libertarian, then I thought I was conservative with libertarian leanings, then libertarians convinced me they were crazy and although I still support some parts of the ideology in theory I've basically lost most of my respect for the intellect of it's supporters. I support limited government but not no government, and I do not claim to support no government so there are no logical inconsistencies there. Libertarians have the luxury of knowing their ideology will never be enacted in a civilized society so they do not have the burden of finding something that is actually workable, they only have to hold something up as an impossible ideal that they can disparage people for not supporting with enough absolutism.
While not a conservative I used to be a libertarian as well. It is easy to be a libertarian when you live with your parents and come from a affluent background. Then when I started my own business and began interacting with people from many backgrounds and income levels I realized libertarianism is not only nonsense but downright dangerous for those who value freedom.
While not a conservative I used to be a libertarian as well. It is easy to be a libertarian when you live with your parents and come from a affluent background. Then when I started my own business and began interacting with people from many backgrounds and income levels I realized libertarianism is not only nonsense but downright dangerous for those who value freedom.
I don't even know if I could really say I am a conservative really. I lean in certain directions but refuse to be bound by them. I'm sure I seem conservative to most people. My love affair with libertarianism came from reading Robert Heinlein novels when I was a kid. I was drawn in by his romanticized version of the ideology but as with many people when real life starts getting in the way of the dream it forces you to rethink things somewhat. At the end of the day we need a society that we can actually live in. Sometimes I think libertarians just like having a high horse to trot around on.
This is a troll thread. Libertarians and leftists getting together to troll conservatives in to justifying their existence. Two sets of extremes looking to wipe out any middle ground. If conservatives sometimes have trouble discussing things with libertarians it's because they have some sympathies with the libertarian ideology but find them to be absolutists with closed minds and no ability to understand consequences. Sometimes they are indistinguishable from anarchists. The end result of anarchy is government run by a new set of thugs so that's pretty much a non starter.
I once thought I was libertarian, then I thought I was conservative with libertarian leanings, then libertarians convinced me they were crazy and although I still support some parts of the ideology in theory I've basically lost most of my respect for the intellect of it's supporters. I support limited government but not no government, and I do not claim to support no government so there are no logical inconsistencies there. Libertarians have the luxury of knowing their ideology will never be enacted in a civilized society so they do not have the burden of finding something that is actually workable, they only have to hold something up as an impossible ideal that they can disparage people for not supporting with enough absolutism.
So the thread was concocted by libertarians and liberals?
While not a conservative I used to be a libertarian as well. It is easy to be a libertarian when you live with your parents and come from a affluent background.Then when I started my own business and began interacting with people from many backgrounds and income levels I realized libertarianism is not only nonsense but downright dangerous for those who value freedom.
Who knew five kids to a room in one of if not the worst impoverished/violent ghettos of the 80s/90s constituted an "affluent background".
I guess I never realized how good I had it growing up.
Who knew five kids to a room in one of if not the worst impoverished/violent ghettos of the 80s/90s constituted an "affluent background".
I guess I never realized how good I had it growing up.
I'm just speaking from experience certainly not doubting your claim most libertarians and ancaps I met with all came from similar situations. I'm sure if weren't for those darn taxes you would be a trillionaire tech mogul right?
I'm just speaking from experience certainly not doubting your claim most libertarians and ancaps I met with all came from similar situations. I'm sure if weren't for those darn taxes you would be a trillionaire tech mogul right?
In a stateless society my quality of life would most likely, almost certainly, be worse than it is now.
In a stateless society my quality of life would most likely, almost certainly, be worse than it is now.
Try that one on for size...
Its one thing to accept a lower standard of living for yourself based on principle its quite another to force it on others. This is where I call anarcho capitalism morally bankrupt you are more concerned with the privileged elite gaining more power than you are about giving yourself and your neighbors higher standard of living.
Its one thing to accept a lower standard of living for yourself based on principle its quite another to force it on others. This is where I call anarcho capitalism morally bankrupt you are more concerned with the privileged elite gaining more power than you are about giving yourself and your neighbors higher standard of living.
You completely contradicted yourself here.
Why would I want a lower standard of living for myself?
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