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Old 07-03-2018, 06:34 AM
 
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What the AFSCME was doing by forcing the payment of union dues, and the use of same for purely ideological political purposes, was clearly coercive in the main. Illegal, as defined by the constitution.

You are spouting from the same coercive, anti-constitution hymn book, as other liberals and progressives. We either have this Constitutional Republic, or don't.

Life, lived freely will have winners and losers.

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Private unions will be crushed as well, it broadly is, so Wall Street can freely fund the puppets that you vote for. Corporate judges are there to protect the interests of the capital owner class, in other words, not you as a working stiff.
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Old 07-04-2018, 08:58 AM
 
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SEIU is not public sector.
This 1, had nothing to do with private sector Unions.


This ruling had to do with government public sector unions, holding our tax dollars hostage and no alternative.
Health care is public sector in all but name. Almost all money spent on it is public money. For instance, there are no for profit hospitals in NY. All of them are government owned or charitable, which is 1 step from government owned.
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Old 07-04-2018, 09:06 AM
 
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No, I don't want any of the State's services. I'd much rather have the choice of doing business with whomever I choose instead of being forced to use the State's monopoly.
Right...you don't need any "state services" until your house is on fire and you need the Fire Department
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Old 07-04-2018, 09:13 AM
 
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Right...you don't need any "state services" until your house is on fire and you need the Fire Department
And then there's an extra charge for that. Read the ambulance thread.
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Old 07-04-2018, 09:39 AM
 
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And then there's an extra charge for that. Read the ambulance thread.
I have no idea what the "ambulance thread" is or what it says but if you call the Fire Department where I live you don't pay for the FD to put the fire out. Ambulance transportation hasn't been free for a very long time.
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Old 07-04-2018, 10:35 AM
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/b...T.nav=top-news

"The Supreme Court decision striking down mandatory union fees for government workers was not only a blow to unions. It will also hit hard at a vast network of groups dedicated to advancing liberal policies and candidates."

So any doubt about union members being compelled to support political position and candidates with which they may disagree can be put to rest. Unions fund much of the apparatus of the Democrat Party.

"Some of these groups work for immigrants and civil rights; others produce economic research; still others turn out voters or run ads in Democratic campaigns."

Examples mentioned,

"Brad Woodhouse, a former communications director for the Democratic National Committee, until recently ran a group called Americans United for Change, whose budget was heavily dependent on contributions from public-sector unions when it campaigned for health care reform and the Obama stimulus plan a decade ago."

"A group called Mi Familia Vota, which advocates on behalf of Latino voters and immigrants, had received about $1 million a year directly from the Service Employees International Union since 2012 "

"America Votes, a group with a permanent staff in more than 20 states that turns out voters on Election Day and rallies them around causes like reproductive rights and the environment, received more than one-fifth of its nearly $10 million budget from the four biggest public-sector unions in 2016."

"Some of the measures involved increasing taxes to fund services like education and health care, and raising the minimum wage. Unions funded opposition to a measure allowing an expansion of charter schools in Massachusetts."

'Activists and party operatives said union cash would be more difficult to replace in other areas. Mr. Wikler said MoveOn’s monthly donor base had quadrupled since Mr. Trump was elected, allowing it to increase support for groups working on immigrants’ rights, workers’ rights and racial-justice causes.

'"But the scale of what we can kick in to efforts like that are dwarfed by what the public-sector unions can muster,” he said.'

Non-believers should not be compelled to fund these activities. It's a blatant infringement on their political rights. Better that individuals should make such decisions for themselves and the article goes on to mention that many are and will:

"In some arenas, the loss of union money will almost certainly be offset by other liberal donors — both the wealthy and ordinary citizens. Few party operatives worry, for example, that the Democrats will lack resources for their next presidential nominee, or candidates in high-profile Senate and House races."

Something like 90% of ALL union campaign money goes to DEMS
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Old 07-04-2018, 11:36 AM
 
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Something like 90% of ALL union campaign money goes to DEMS
Why wouldn't labor unions support Democrats? Republicans are trying to kill unions and have been since Ronald Reagan. That's kind of like feigning incredulity about why 90% of Corporate campaign contributions go to Republicans
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Old 07-04-2018, 12:05 PM
 
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I have no idea what the "ambulance thread" is or what it says but if you call the Fire Department where I live you don't pay for the FD to put the fire out. Ambulance transportation hasn't been free for a very long time.
It used to be. A service provided for paying taxes. Then the Dems ruined it.
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Old 07-04-2018, 12:19 PM
 
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It used to be. A service provided for paying taxes. Then the Dems ruined it.
And I bet they did that right after they tried to kill the baby Jesus
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Old 07-04-2018, 12:22 PM
 
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And I bet they did that right after they tried to kill the baby Jesus
What does that have to do with ending free taxpayer-funded EMT response, etc.?
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