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The problem is who do you trust in Mexico? When you say the Mexican police and the government you don't know who is tipping off the cartel on all of this. The police, the military and government officials do not make that much money in Mexico. Working with the cartels helps them financially and often if they say no to the cartels they and or their family is killed. So working closely with the Mexican government might backfire and give information to the cartels.
I say decriminalize drugs here and the cartels income dries up.
Least we agree on Step 1. As for who? Well we could simply offer it to their president. Have him allow drone flyovers, and offer to target any known crime lord. Drone him while he goes out on his yard. Literally trust 1 man-their president.
Shrug. There are options. But honestly step 1 is for us to stop enabling these cartels, to stop feeding them cash.
Least we agree on Step 1. As for who? Well we could simply offer it to their president. Have him allow drone flyovers, and offer to target any known crime lord. Drone him while he goes out on his yard. Literally trust 1 man-their president.
Shrug. There are options. But honestly step 1 is for us to stop enabling these cartels, to stop feeding them cash.
Does Mexico want us sending drones into their country? Right now with all the animosity on both sides I doubt it.
I think the new president just elected wants to actually do something. I don't agree with his politics but I think his intentions with the cartels at this point are good. But as has happened in the past there do you want to be president and be alive or be dead? Most politicians seem to back off when presented with those two options. I remember I was living in El Paso about 10 years ago when Juarez across the border was in the middle of a huge increase in violence. The city hired a famous Mexican general who was considered tough as nails to take over the police department there and take on the cartel. He was in Juarez for two years and never left the police compound. Not once he literally lived in there. He might be tough but not stupid. The cartels are ruthless.
This is a country where El Chapo escaped a maximum security prison because he bought off and threatened the people guarding him. That was his second escape. Before that El Chapo had a birthday party where several state governors and other elected officials attended while he was the #1 most wanted man.
And if you kill a drug boss someone takes his place. It does not stop anything. Lots of people in Mexico work for $60 a week. And that is 6 days sometimes 10 hours a day. The lure of easy money is very powerful there. There are endless amounts of people will to risk their lives to cash in.
I know a lot of people who live in Mexico and I have lived off and on close to the border. I really think the only solution is decriminalizing drugs here.
Most recreational drugs do not enter the US on the backs of illegal immigrants.
Tens of thousands daily cars/ trucks, often driven by US citizens, boats, private planes and drones are common methods of moving large quantities of drugs. Then there’s the occasional tunnel between Texas/ Mexico and San Diego/ Mexico.
The US demand for drugs is never- ending.
The countries that spend the least on drug related enforcement / treatment issues tend to impose harsh consequences.
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They are in Arizona and I am sure in other border states. I know this from people I know who got mixed up in that stuff and got into trouble. They work both sides of the border and employ Americans to move the product throughout the country. It is our business.
Personally, given that some of their tactics rival or surpass that of ISIS in brutality, I think we should designate some of them as terrorist groups. They pretty much own Mexico (much like Wall Street owns both parties in Congress here in the US,only worse in Mexico's case) and can run free no matter who is in office.
Their brutality and corruption are a big part of the reason people are increasingly fleeing to the US. Their cartels infect our nation with drugs. They also will kill police, BP, and civilians along the border (on our side!) that they feel are in their way.
Since the cartels, though they may have puppets in power in Mexico, are a group or a coalition of groups rather than a national entity, we may be able to use the laws in dealing with terrorist entities and apply those laws to the cartels.
Also, the cartels are, no doubt, trafficking people (sometimes as slaves) over the border, taking them on would also help fight human trafficking.
Also, as some, like El Chapo, have millions in their banks, we could also seize their assets and use them to help pay for the Wall, so there's that benefit too.
There are 7 military bases in Colombia, and as of now Colombia cocaine production is up in relation to previous years. Colombia makes the drugs, the USA should start doing something in Colombia instead of helping with the drug production. just like Afghanistan it seems to be the norm that everywhere America goes crime and terrorists, drugs skyrocket and morals decay. America is such a drug addict nation, America’s love for drugs is enormous. America could be considered a fail state with regards to drugs use. America wants to many drugs and now that there is a pandemic of white junkies hooked on opium is even worst, before you make any judgments on other countries you should say. how can we stop being a drug addict nation?. Do you find it odd that CIA created and trained and funded al Qaeda, ISIS is America’s proxy army is Syria, (who by the way thank god have had been defeated by Syria, Iran and Russia before their intervention ISIS took almost 80 percent of Syria, that’s how much it grew when USA was supposedly fighting them.) ISIS shops heads trained by CIA, zetas shops heads, zetas are Mexican soldiers deserters train by the American army, fast and furious America provides weapons and funds Mexican cartels. Don’t pretend to be ignorant all of you deep inside know more than what you want acknowledge
There are 7 military bases in Colombia, and as of now Colombia cocaine production is up in relation to previous years. Colombia makes the drugs, the USA should start doing something in Colombia instead of helping with the drug production. just like Afghanistan it seems to be the norm that everywhere America goes crime and terrorists, drugs skyrocket and morals decay. America is such a drug addict nation, America’s love for drugs is enormous. America could be considered a fail state with regards to drugs use. America wants to many drugs and now that there is a pandemic of white junkies hooked on opium is even worst, before you make any judgments on other countries you should say. how can we stop being a drug addict nation?. Do you find it odd that CIA created and trained and funded al Qaeda, ISIS is America’s proxy army is Syria, (who by the way thank god have had been defeated by Syria, Iran and Russia before their intervention ISIS took almost 80 percent of Syria, that’s how much it grew when USA was supposedly fighting them.) ISIS shops heads trained by CIA, zetas shops heads, zetas are Mexican soldiers deserters train by the American army, fast and furious America provides weapons and funds Mexican cartels. Don’t pretend to be ignorant all of you deep inside know more than what you want acknowledge
The drug supplier is just as guilty as the drug user. No one forces these countries to supply drugs to anyone. We are well aware of the problems within our own government but I seriously doubt the majority of Americans use recreational drugs.
The drug supplier is just as guilty as the drug user. No one forces these countries to supply drugs to anyone. We are well aware of the problems within our own government but I seriously doubt the majority of Americans use recreational drugs.
They do traffic people, they extort money from local businesses in Mexico and they traffic drugs. But they are so intertwined with the government in Mexico at all levels going after them means going after the government there. If you are in government and refuse to deal with the cartel you die. I believe there have been 200 politicians running for office murdered just since last September. 200. Imagine if that happened here once or twice in a few months it would be all people would be talking about. There its they way things are. Now they have a new President elect who says he is going to change things there.
As a libertarian to me the solution is simple. Decriminalize all drugs in the U.S. Dispense the drugs to addicts in small amounts with the goal of treating their addiction and have very still penalties for anyone caught dealing drugs in the streets. This would cut off the head of the cartels. Cut down on crime and solve the problem without having to fight the cartel. We have had the war on drugs for decades and not much has changed.
20 states have not legalized medical marijuana.
41 states have not legalized recreational marijuana.
Decriminalizing all drugs is not like to happen regardless of who sits the oval or holds the majority.
Countries that have decriminalized recreational drugs offer treatment as a part of their Universal Healthcare initiatives. Kind of weird for the US to provide treatment for addiction but if it’s Cancer you are SOL?
Treatment does not cure addiction. There’s no magic bullet that cures addiction. Every addict remains one lousy decision away from relapse.
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