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Old 07-06-2018, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Capitalists want to start a business to exploit the workers? Death to all capitalists!!!!

You should thank everybody that they don't slaughter your family too. In the real world, the capitalists and their families, men, women, children, old and young were all slaughtered. In some extreme cases, even their babies.

Who wants the offspring of capitalists? What if they rise again?

Those who were not slaughtered were sent to the "re-education camp" to learn the way of socialism.
There is no logic in your thinking, only emotional projection.

What you know as socialism is just state run capitalism. Have the Zapatistas killed children?

Socialism has nothing to do with force, it is about freedom.
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Old 07-06-2018, 08:31 PM
 
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There is no logic in your thinking, only emotional projection.

What you know as socialism is just state run capitalism. Have the Zapatistas killed children?

Socialism has nothing to do with force, it is about freedom.
It’s called a historical fact! Go read some history of your evil ideology.

Name one socialist policy that can be implemented without violence or threat of violence.
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Old 07-06-2018, 08:47 PM
 
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It’s called a historical fact! Go read some history of your evil ideology.

Name one socialist policy that can be implemented without violence or threat of violence.
Price control of needed products: healthcare, etc.

If you mean socialism as a whole just read up about the rise of socialist worker cooperatives all over the Midwest.

Capitalism is inherently violent and procures violence the world over.
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Old 07-07-2018, 07:48 AM
 
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Price control of needed products: healthcare, etc.

If you mean socialism as a whole just read up about the rise of socialist worker cooperatives all over the Midwest.

Capitalism is inherently violent and procures violence the world over.


How do you exercise price control without your big guns? Are you being asinine here?

If I want to sell or buy drugs above your set price, what would you do to me?

Capitalism is about free trade and voluntary transactions. How is that violent?
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Old 07-07-2018, 08:22 AM
 
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No, Like I said, those examples aren't perfect.

Say you have a steel mill. Anyone who wants to work there can. All have equal say in how production is utilized, and how each job is managed (democratically).

Production won't be based off of the free markets as the needs of each individual worker will be the basis of production, not growth. It wouldn't be a united company trying to expand, it would be a public production center that members would work at.

It'd be a union. But they are independent from any state.
You lost me with "Anyone who wants to work there can" - so if they need 100 workers (mini-mill), 10,000 people can decide to work there?

In this situation someone will decide who gets hired...likely a relative or someone of the same race, creed or color...and the other 9900 will be SOL. A couple of them will decide to get their guns and fix the mistakes of those who chose wrongly.
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Old 07-07-2018, 08:25 AM
 
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How do you exercise price control without your big guns? Are you being asinine here?

If I want to sell or buy drugs above your set price, what would you do to me?

Capitalism is about free trade and voluntary transactions. How is that violent?
1. Ever heard of the draft? Yes, definitely big in capitalism.....
2. Your taxes are extracted at the point of a gun (or a jail cell)....
3. Voluntary transactions? So when the BLM under Bush was having orgies and doing coke while they gave away drilling rights to their and Bush friends....all was completely voluntary and you and I had just as much of a chance?

Capitalism is more alive in Hong Kong and Southern China than it is in the West.
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Old 07-07-2018, 08:53 AM
 
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You guys are confusing pure capitalism, which would probably be closer to libertarianism, to our current system.

A government that collects revenue via taxation, tariffs, etc. has the ability to privide a safety net. It also has the ability to wage war, institute a draft, etc. If anything, those things are possible through pseudo socialism.
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Old 07-07-2018, 08:59 AM
 
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You lost me with "Anyone who wants to work there can" - so if they need 100 workers (mini-mill), 10,000 people can decide to work there?

In this situation someone will decide who gets hired...likely a relative or someone of the same race, creed or color...and the other 9900 will be SOL. A couple of them will decide to get their guns and fix the mistakes of those who chose wrongly.
No. Every work place has a finite amount of production tools for individual workers to use. There is a limit in how many workers can operate at the same steel mill. Till the point all the places are taken, or else as long as there is available work space, someone can freely choose to produce there.
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Old 07-07-2018, 09:00 AM
 
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1. Ever heard of the draft? Yes, definitely big in capitalism.....
2. Your taxes are extracted at the point of a gun (or a jail cell)....
3. Voluntary transactions? So when the BLM under Bush was having orgies and doing coke while they gave away drilling rights to their and Bush friends....all was completely voluntary and you and I had just as much of a chance?

Capitalism is more alive in Hong Kong and Southern China than it is in the West.
Don’t disagree at all as what you described is not capitalism. American capitalism has many disgusting facets of socialism, thanks to the Democrats.
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Old 07-07-2018, 09:02 AM
 
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No. Every work place has a finite amount of production tools for individual workers to use. There is a limit in how many workers can operate at the same steel mill. Till the point all the places are taken, or else as long as there is available work space, someone can freely choose to produce there.
Do you operate in this way at your house?
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