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Old 07-07-2018, 03:55 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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I think it ties in with other recent presidents having so many connections with companies that gave huge donations and "bought" the president his position in office. Those companies had trade deals in place and probably steered them away from focusing on trade, or making adjustments to trade at all. Most presidents probably were ill-advised to even tackle trade due to "trade wars," as the media so often loves to tag it.

Since Trump has zero financial obligations to any major company or corporation, he does not have anyone "pulling his strings" in any one direction during his presidency. As-a-result, I think he is more of the notion to tackle these subjects that have seemed "taboo" or "too politically challenging" or "too risky to a politicians' career" if the president took them on. Trump has the ability to shake things up, and get things done for certain issues that other presidents would've avoided.

Although Trump can be highly divisive, I think he is shaking up the office of the President, and he is a really good thing for both the Presidency, as well as the US long-term.
Donald Trumps campaign spent $957 million dollars on the 2016 election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...paign-finance/

Trump spent $66 million dollars of his own money on the campaign.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN13Y0AE


And the corporations that gave Trump's campaign $100's of millions of dollars now have lucrative new government contracts, have executives appointed to White House positions, and have unprecedented access to the Trump White House.
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/201...-inauguration/

Defense, finance and telecom corporations gave Trump over $100 million dollars.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN17M00Q

CEO's from oil, natural gas and coal corporations donated millions of dollars to Donald Trump.
Energy companies donated millions to Trump

Donald Trump received $100 million dollars in campaign funds from corporate prisons and groups connected to them. And the same prison corporations that gave money to Trumps campaign now have lucrative new government contracts (and their stocks are up over 100%.)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...cies/98300394/
Private Prison Company Geo Group Gave Generously to Trump and Now Has Lucrative Contract
https://www.npr.org/2017/11/21/56531...ant-jails-boom
Private prison stocks up 100% since Trump's win

ex.ex.


Trump did receive huge sums of campaign money from regular Americans, but regular Americans only sent Trump a $10 - $50 dollar check. And when you give a president $50 you don't get access to the White House, but when you give a politician millions of dollars like a CEO does, then you get to call the White House and set up personal meetings with the president.

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Old 07-07-2018, 05:14 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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And you understand it.? Oh look another person smarter than all the rest. Do you even know what the VAT problem is or do I need to give you a puppet show?
Oh look, condescension via acronym of the Value Added Tax and it's implications on goods.


Please, condescend, go on.
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Old 07-07-2018, 07:06 AM
 
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Trump loves America, unlike swamp politicians who love the deals they get by selling America out.

Trump does NOT love America. Trump only loves himself.
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Old 07-07-2018, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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He s ignorant of economics, history, and anything on any day he may decide is unfair.
He s a horrificly spoiled brat in giant underware.
apparently you have no clue of history, economics

the FACT is that nafta (ie free trade) and all of its sisters/brothers which STARTED under carter and CONTINUED since then, to include removing most of the trade TARIFFS is a MAIN cause to the loss of JOBS in the USA

businesses don't want to stay where there are HIGH TAXES (our corporate tax was the 2nd highest IN THE WORLD until this year),,,and if its CHEAPER for them to make the item oversea and will cost them NOTHING to import it, that is what happens


make import tariffs on anything coming into the us...even from us companies like GE (hq'd in CT) that manufactures all their stuff in Mexico/Malaysia...

make the tariffs equal to the inequality of cost of living...make GE using Mexican slave labor of 40/week, pay a tariff equal to having Americans make it for 25/hr(the current median wage)

look at things

we pioneered microwaves...not one is American made anymore
we pioneered tv's............none are American made

what is the number one selling appliance in the usa.......................its not whirlpool...it not GE....its not Maytag(part of whirlpool)...its not jennaire(part of whirlpool)...its not kitchen aid(also part of whirlpool)...its not Hotpoint(part of GE)....its not Electrolux( a. Swedish corp)......its not White-Westinghouse (part of Electrolux).........


its LG....what is LG....LG is Lucky-GOLDSTAR (or as Americans FORMERLY knew it just Goldstar( a LOW BUDGET brand))...a Korean company





even Levi jeans are made overseas.

we lead the steel industry......not anymore
we lead the car industry.....not anymore...people would rather buy a Lexus (over priced Toyota) or a Audi(over priced Volkswagen) than a Lincoln or a cady




raise the tarriffs..raise them high...make it CHEAPER to be made in the usa to the consumer(we buy it)



Reagan stood for the United States maintaining a strong industrial base not only because that translates into good jobs for Americans and an expansion of the middle class. Reagan came from the generation who understood that America’s World War II victory was based on our tremendous manufacturing industry that overnight turned from producing automobiles into military weapons and tractors into tanks.

Reagan signed a Buy America policy for federal highway and transit projects. No way would he have approved building a Keystone XL oil pipeline with steel pipe imported from a Russian-owned mill or a San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge assembled from steel sections made in China.

Reagan imposed tariffs on motorcycles to protect Harley-Davidson and on electronic products from Japan. Like Alexander Hamilton and Republican Party policy for many decades, Reagan understood that a strong manufacturing base is a major element of America’s greatness, military superiority and prosperity.


and Trump is trying to bring back that greatness that the liberals offshored


freetrade was started by the GLOBALIST LIBERALS.... started under carter







the globalism of the freaking fasco-socialist liberals needs to stop

here are some quotes from some of the liberal socialist globalist , like Zbigniew Brzezinski


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"We cannot leap into world government through one quick step.... The precondition for eventual and genuine globalization is progressive regionalization because by that we move toward larger, more stable, more cooperative units."
ZB


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"This is a form of Socialism known as fascism, and it will be the type of world government the power elite plans ultimately to bring about and control. In this government, the power elite will control politicians who will become government leaders who will promulgate laws, rules and regulations favorable to certain transnational corporations"
ZB



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"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis...and the nations will accept the New World Order.." David Rockefeller

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“A world society cannot be haphazard. Since there are no precedents, it cannot be traditional at this stage in its development. It can only be deliberative and experimental, planned and built up with particular objectives......socialist Scott Nearing
Federal Reserve outlining world financial trends :“Successful globalization requires a parallel international process of harmonization of rules, including rules governing the financial system, a process that has been going on largely silently for many years in the central banking community




Richard N. Haass:


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"In the 21st century, the principle aim of American foreign policy is to integrate other countries and organizations into arrangements that will sustain a world consistent with U.S. interests and values.

"…Integration is about bringing nations together and then building frameworks of cooperation and, where feasible, institutions that reinforce and sustain them even more
Haass should know. Not only is he a member of the Trilateral Commission, he’s the President of the Council on Foreign Relations. In fact, Haass wrote the forward to the CFR report, Building a North American Community.




In December, 1994, at a meeting in Miami, Florida, the Clinton administration launched a program of continental “economic integration,” which was put in motion after “the leaders of 34 countries in the Western Hemisphere pledged…to form a Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA).”



Zbigniew Brzezinski described in his policy handbook, The Grand Chessboard –
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the United States will need a hemispherical approach in order to help ensure its “primacy” on the world stage, specifically as economic competition increases from integrated trading blocks around the world
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Old 07-07-2018, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Lol, what?? The US is demonstrating it's leadership by standing up for fairer trade policies. That's what leadership is.

Leaders don't sit back and let people walk all over them.
A leader would bring people together and make a deal. You know like TPP, which would have removed tariffs. Instead of leading Trump threw it out the window, and started an idiotic trade war instead, which is designed to hurt the American consumers by taxing them to death.

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Old 07-07-2018, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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A leader would bring proper together and make a deal. You know like TPP, which would have removed tariffs. Instead of leading Trump threw it out the window, and started an idiotic trade war instead, which is designed to hurt the American consumers by taxing them to death.
Yes, this is what all the past Presidents have worked for, and many of the current actions run the chance of killing an awesome economy.
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Old 07-07-2018, 12:05 PM
 
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there doesn't need to be a trade ""deficit""

tariffs level the playing field... something the globalist liberals cant figure out
Not really. Tariffs seem to be making a mess of the playing field. There is no tariff on milk from USA to Canada except in one situation that has never occurred, yet Trump and his people claim that there is always a tariff on milk. Using false premises to justify tariffs doesn't level the playing field. Making any decision without all the facts always leads to mistakes.
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Old 07-07-2018, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Florida
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tariffs level the playing field... something the globalist liberals cant figure out
You mean its a good thing Americans are taxed as much as people in other countries?
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Old 07-07-2018, 01:17 PM
 
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A leader would bring people together and make a deal. You know like TPP, which would have removed tariffs. Instead of leading Trump threw it out the window, and started an idiotic trade war instead, which is designed to hurt the American consumers by taxing them to death.
You are correct.

Liken it to building a new car line. A simple thing compared to running a country!

Said leader would call together MANY other leaders and experts. They would start from square one. It would take months to even get to the very basics of what is desired, and years of work from 100's or 1000's of people before the new car came off the line.

Trumpies don't understand this level of complexity. They watched reality TV and Trump finalized everything in an episode or two...even with commercial breaks.

As the old sayings go...you want it good or do you want it quick (or cheap)??

Now, if Trump stopped tweeting and blustering and brought together actual experts (no, not Kudlow or Bannon!) and studied for a year or two...and then carefully figured out the plans and implemented them, that would be a different thing. BUT, if they did so, they would come to different conclusions than "off the cuff" Reality TV answers.
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Old 07-07-2018, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Eureka CA
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Because his whining about fictitious "trade deficits" doesn't fool anyone but his core, clueless base.
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