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No, they can’t. That is the whole point: the woman—not anyone else—gets to decide what is done to her own body.
Fetal homicide laws directly contradict that. They give a fetus the exact same right to life 6 month old babies, etc., have. Abolish fetal homicide laws. Equal Protections Clause.
Nope. A mother can't kill a 6 month old and get away with it. Neither can anyone else. Fetal homicide laws give a fetus the exact same right to life. Abolish them. If a woman can kill a fetus, so can anyone else. Equal Protections Clause.
Clearly the fetus and 6 month old infant are legally distinct. We don't call a newborn a fetus, do we?
While I would not call it fetal homicide since homicide implies killing a person, I do think additional charges should be levied on the perpetrator for removing the woman's choice in an irreversible manner.
In 2014 over 600,000 abortions were performed in the United States and with the recent revelation that we'll be getting a new and likely conservative justice added to the court the left has become concerned about the possible overturning of Roe vs Wade. There's talk of the SCOTUS outlawing abortion or possibly throwing the issue back to the states.
Nobody wants to take away your abortions ladies, we just want some common sense abortion controls. I mean, why would so many of these people actually need an abortion? Can't we come to some sort of compromise? Perhaps we could eliminate abortions for anyone who's had an abortion before? What about strict background checks for anyone seeking an abortion? What about closing the Planned Parenthood loophole? These seem like common sense abortion controls that everyone should be able to support right?
How about you mind your own business? That's a conservative value, no?
How many women enjoy getting abortions? They're no big deal! Just like getting your teeth cleaned...
It's not a false equivalency. Keeping and bearing arms is a Constitutional Right. If it is going to be claimed that abortion is a Constitutional Right, restrictions and even bans can be placed on it, just as with guns and other arms.
Each Constitutional Right is its own subject. You do not need to conflate one with the other. Argue the one you want on the merits. It is not necessary or desirable to muddy the water or poison the well.
After the fetus becomes viable, it's not just her body.
Every fetus is unique, and there is no specific time when viability can be declared. Leave the decision to the woman involved in consultation with whoever she decides is relevant. Keep your hands to yourself. Keep your hands out of other people's vaginas and minds. Tend to your own business. And stop trying to impose your religious beliefs on others. Don't Sharia your fellow Americans. We don't do that in a free country.
After the fetus becomes viable, it's not just her body.
And thunderstorms are Thor hitting his anvil....
In a day and age when many babies are created in a petri dish, many of the old norms do not apply. I suppose there can be some justice in asking the baby-daddy to put up a 500K bond and then giving him SOME say in the matter, but we...that is, we outside of the situation should have NO say.
At least that is what I heard from conservatives and libertarians and small government types. Maybe they were lying? It wouldn't be the first time. It appears all their talk of balancing the budget, paying off debt, getting out of wars all over the world, etc.....was complete BS also.
Distill it down and it seems like they just believe in THEM (usually white men) controlling everything....even if they are underlings of their corporate masters (or their preachers).
The old story applies. Don't want one...then don't get one. I took my GF to Planned Parenthood many decades ago, and guess what? No Preggy......until well after we got married.
Nope. A mother can't kill a 6 month old and get away with it. Neither can anyone else. Fetal homicide laws give a fetus the exact same right to life. Abolish them. If a woman can kill a fetus, so can anyone else. Equal Protections Clause.
A 6 month old is a realized human being. A fetus is NOT a realized human being, it is nothing more than a potential. Homicide laws should apply only to living human beings. Fetal homicide laws cannot and should not apply to abortions. In fact, fetal homicide laws are unnecessary. The aggravated battery involved in criminal non-abortive fetal death can be handled by existing assault and battery law through the sentencing procedure. Fetal homicide laws should in fact be abolished.
The woman's rights trump the fetus. It's her body.
This is correct, but it is muddied water that can be avoided by just correctly asserting that a fetus is a potential human life, not a realized human life, and as such has no rights. The pro-choice movement really needs to grow some philosophical balls and call it more forcefully based on reality and reason. Once you are talking about how many weeks it is until a baby is a baby while in utero, you have already embraced emotionalism and irrationality and basically lost the argument by your own default (not you personally, the movement). An embryo is a potential, not a realized. As such, it can be removed and discarded for any or no reason by the mother who owns her body, and everything within her body.
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