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Old 07-09-2018, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
I have asked this question several times, and NO one has answered it:

Women can get contraceptive services/supplies at the exact same Planned Parenthood facilities where they're getting their abortions, or at one of the likely much closer and much more numerous publicly funded (Title X) Family Planning Clinics, nationwide. That would eliminate the need for having so many abortions in the first place, so why don't they do so?
Getting them should be much easier than making an appointment with a family planning facility. Like I said, other countries have much more success in this than us, so why not try to learn from them?

You seem to realize that unplanned pregnancies is THE problem, but you don't want to do anything about it. We'd be worse off without family planning facilities, but clearly it is not enough.
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Old 07-09-2018, 08:05 AM
 
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It has been answered. You keep ignoring the answer.

1. There are not 14,000 Publicly funded (Title X) Family Planning Clinics nationwide.

https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-shee...-united-states

"In 2010, subsidized family planning services were provided at 8,409 safety-net health centers—3,165 (38%) were federally qualified health centers, 2,439 (29%) were health department clinics, 1,324 (16%) were other clinics, 817 (10%) were Planned Parenthood centers and 664 (8%) were hospital clinics."

That means that 10% of those "publicly funded (Title X) Family Planning Clinics, nationwide" were PP clinics.

2. Half the women who request abortion were using contraceptives in the cycle in which they conceived, obtained at PP or elsewhere.

Edit: I looked for more recent data on the number of clinics and found this.

The numbers did not change significantly between 2010 and 2015:

https://www.guttmacher.org/report/pu...ic-survey-2015

"In 2010, state or county public health departments administered 29% of all clinics and served 27% of all clients receiving care from this network of providers. Planned Parenthood affiliates administered 10% of clinics, but served more than one-third of the clients (36%). The remaining clinics were administered by FQHCs (38%), serving 16% of clients; or by other types of agencies (16%), serving 13% of clients. Hospital outpatient clinics account for 8% of the network and make up the largest single clinic type within the “other clinics” category. Groups too small to report separately include independent women’s clinics, other community clinics not part of the FQHC network (such as FQHC look-alikes*), Indian Health Service clinics and other unaffiliated clinics."

"Forty-five percent of all publicly funded clinics providing contraceptive care received some funding from the federal Title X program. This status varies widely by provider type: 86% of health department and 69% of Planned Parenthood clinics receive Title X funding, compared with 17% of FQHCs. Nearly three-quarters (72%) of Title X–funded sites reported being focused on providing reproductive health services."
10,708 clinics providing publicly supported contraceptive services in 2015, per Guttmacher:

https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/def...ces_2015_3.pdf
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Old 07-09-2018, 08:50 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Getting them should be much easier than making an appointment with a family planning facility.
Getting them is much easier than getting an abortion. Yet, many women choose abortion instead of contraceptives as their sole method of birth control.
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Old 07-09-2018, 08:51 AM
 
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Getting them is much easier than getting an abortion. Yet, many women choose abortion instead of contraceptives as their sole method of birth control.
Do you think closing PP and having no funding for family planning and education...helps or hurts this?

I have known a lot of females in my life and none of them would willfully (only out of ignorance would they) choose a surgery over a pill or device.

Note the distribution of clinics:
https://gutt.shinyapps.io/fpmaps/

Also, community "values" (or lack of) may have something to do with those who don't choose prevention. Remember, the "church" has been beating on that horse for centuries.
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Old 07-09-2018, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Getting them should be much easier than making an appointment with a family planning facility. Like I said, other countries have much more success in this than us, so why not try to learn from them?

You seem to realize that unplanned pregnancies is THE problem, but you don't want to do anything about it. We'd be worse off without family planning facilities, but clearly it is not enough.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Getting them is much easier than getting an abortion. Yet, many women choose abortion instead of contraceptives as their sole method of birth control.
Are you having trouble understanding what is being said? No one chooses abortion, they are choosing to rely on hope of not getting pregnant.

If it was easier to get them, they would not have unplanned pregnancies in the first place. Other countries have more success at this. Why not learn from them?

Again, you seem to realize that unplanned pregnancies is THE problem, but you don't want to do anything about it. You just want to point fingers and ignore the problem.

Do you support funding family planning clinics?
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Old 07-09-2018, 09:02 AM
 
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How about as much as guns? Women can't obtain abortions under certain circumstances (e.g., for the sake of convenience) until the age of 21. Women must register their abortions with the government. Women must pass a background check to get an abortion. Women must get a government permit to have an abortion. Etc.
Not sure what you are talking about. Many people own guns for convenience. Many people own guns without being registered or getting a background check. There's not any real chance of the 2nd amendment being stripped away or any of these loopholes being addressed.

And besides, you can't rely equate abortions to guns anyway. But I guess whatever you want to do to make a point, go right ahead.
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Old 07-09-2018, 09:07 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Do you think closing PP and having no funding for family planning and education...helps or hurts this?
What makes you think there's no money for family planning if PP funding is eliminated? I already posted HHS's 170+ page list of Title X Family Planning Clinics. Only 6% of those are PP facilities, according to the Guttmacher Institute.

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I have known a lot of females in my life and none of them would willfully (only out of ignorance would they) choose a surgery over a pill or device.
Yet, many do. 50% of women seeking an abortion got pregnant while using no BC whatsoever.
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Old 07-09-2018, 09:12 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Are you having trouble understanding what is being said? No one chooses abortion, they are choosing to rely on hope of not getting pregnant.
False. 50% of the women seeking an abortion got pregnant while using no BC whatsoever.
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Do you support funding family planning clinics?
Yes. There are well over over 10,000 publicly funded Family Planning Clinics throughout the US. Only 6% of them are PP facilities. Source for both facts: Guttmacher Institute. And PP is mostly located in metropolitan areas where several publicly funded FP clinics already exist. PP's are redundant and unnecessary. Now, if they had located in rural areas that have limited access to publicly funded FP clinics, that would be different. But they aren't.
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Old 07-09-2018, 09:16 AM
 
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Not sure what you are talking about. Many people own guns for convenience. Many people own guns without being registered or getting a background check.
Try buying one now from an authorized dealer. Let's place the same controls on abortions performed at authorized clinics:

Women can't obtain abortions under certain circumstances (e.g., for the sake of convenience) until the age of 21.
Women must register their abortions with the government.
Women must pass a background check to get an abortion. Women must get a government permit to have an abortion.
Etc.

Good for guns? Good for abortions. Equal treatment of rights.
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Old 07-09-2018, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Florida
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False. 50% of the women seeking an abortion got pregnant while using no BC whatsoever.
Kind of proves my point. It is obvious you simply do not (and will not) comprehend what people are saying.
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