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View Poll Results: What do you predict as the outcome of Trump/Putin meeting?
Trump takes no US translator 16 20.51%
Trump gives up something very important to balance of power in Europe 22 28.21%
Putin agrees to help Trump win in 2020 31 39.74%
Trump finally negotiates a Trump Tower in Moscow 20 25.64%
We won't know what the outcome is until it is too late... 43 55.13%
Trump de-fangs Putin and brings the US/Russia closer together... 13 16.67%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 78. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-08-2018, 06:47 PM
 
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TDS strikes again. It literally doesn't matter what Trump does or doesn't do liberals will do whatever it takes to find some way to be outraged about what did/didn't/might/could have happened.
And it doesn't matter what Trump does or doesn't do. His supporters will find a way to polish that tu**.

 
Old 07-08-2018, 06:52 PM
 
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TDS strikes again. It literally doesn't matter what Trump does or doesn't do liberals will do whatever it takes to find some way to be outraged about what did/didn't/might/could have happened.
So what do YOU, clearly a man of no liberality whatsoever, think will happen? You haven't told us.

This whole thread is about surmise and predictions, you know - in other words, what "might happen" and what Trump and Putin "might do".

Hardly fair to criticize other posters for stating their predictions simply because you disagree, when the question is put equally to us all.
 
Old 07-08-2018, 07:02 PM
 
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To the posters who answered "Trump gives up something very important to balance of power in Europe" I am curious why you think the EU can't stand on its own against Russia.

The EU has more than one country with nuclear weapons.

The EU has 511 million people with a GDP of $16.5 Trillion.

Russia has 147 million people with a GDP of $1.7 Trillion.

The USA has 323 million people with a GDP of $19.4 Trillion.



Who needs help from who again?

Why does the EU with 4 times as many people and 10 times the economy need protection from the Russian boogeyman?

Why must the US keep spending so much money and keep so many soldiers stationed since the end of WWII. I am fine with keeping our traditional alliances. But will Russia invade a solid EU with NATO still in place? Doubtful.


Why keep feeding the industrial-military complex?



-Eisenhower

Cross of Iron Speech
Ukraine is one of the keys to this - it's the largest country in Europe and is blessed with rich natural resources and intelligent people - but is cursed to sit right next to Russia. Despite Ukraine's own wishes, it is not a member of NATO or the EU. Ukraine fought valiantly but was weakened militarily by Putin's war of invasion and aggression.

Russia still is fighting in Eastern Ukraine, with the obvious ultimate goal of taking Mariopol, a large industrial city and important port on the Sea of Azov, as a sort of bookend to Crimea. If Putin chooses to start more than the current war of attrition there, Ukraine is likely to be where he'll start. Not sure if the western allies will do much more than they did last time, even when a western civilian aircraft was shot down with total loss of life, over eastern Ukraine by Russian troops.
 
Old 07-09-2018, 05:49 AM
 
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TDS strikes again. It literally doesn't matter what Trump does or doesn't do liberals will do whatever it takes to find some way to be outraged about what did/didn't/might/could have happened.
Funny, but tragic, liberals or anyone else that is really listening to the Trumpster, does not have to look too far to be outraged by what Trump does, with the power that Putin helped create.
 
Old 07-09-2018, 05:59 AM
 
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Trump is a traitor and shouldn’t be trusted. He openly colluded with Russia when he asked for Russias help at one of his Rallies. What kind of nut job does that? WOW! Look at how he got played by North Korea. They made a fool of Trump. He was warned but nobody can tell this loser a thing.
 
Old 07-09-2018, 06:18 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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Polling your POV but my .02--

The idea that Trump is even competent to actually speak to Putin w/o giving away anything of value--even Ivanka's phone number--is totally incomprehensible to me

The idea that Trump wants to do it because he likely will commit treason seems pretty likely

Look at how screwed he was by NK with that little sit-down that garnered NOTHING but raising the reputation of Kim among his people and the rest of the grown ups who actually understand how foreign policy works...
They all know Trump was played more than the Star-Spangled Banner on July 4th...

Congress should pass a law requiring some government 3rd party to be present--
I don't trust Pompeo really so I don't know who would be acceptable as a viable witness but the idea that the US has NO way of knowing what is actually said in that room is almost proof of conspiracy to me...
Trump did it before (spoke w/Putin w/o any US translator) and we didn't even know about it at the time
So getting an "accurate--word for work translation" is about as likely as the GOP admitting climate change is real...

A-M-E-N!
 
Old 07-09-2018, 06:20 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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And it doesn't matter what Trump does or doesn't do. His supporters will find a way to polish that tu**.

 
Old 07-09-2018, 06:44 AM
 
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How about Obama himself caught on an open mic with Putin telling him that "I will have more flexibility after the election" .
That's not even in the same ballpark. That was in regards to the NATO missile defense system. It was controversial and he wanted to table it until after the election season. That's, you know, actual politics. And the NATO missile defense that Putin did not want did go into effect anyway.

It's pretty much the same tactic as when politicians:
  • Delay passage of a law until after the election since it would hurt the re-election bids
  • Delay enactment of an already passed law until after the election since it would hurt re-election bids
  • Vote on a law they know that will NOT be passed to hurt the opposition's chances of re-election
It's all political games. It's not like Obama had shown various ties to Russia. It isn't like the US Intelligence Community was in agreement that Russia helped Obama win an election.



Equating the two is unreasonable.
 
Old 07-09-2018, 07:03 AM
 
Location: NJ
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No concern re trump/putin.


Obama had demonstrated so many instances of kinship with Putin and not a peep from those who tremble at the thought of trump meeting Putin.


The KGB agent ate the community organizer's lunch.


With the entire media, career politicians and political prognosticators sure that Hillary would win, It is implausible that Putin would think Trump could win. As yet, no evidence Russia swung the election for Trump or wanted Trump to win. Reminds me of the people who wanted Bernie to win. Wanting someone to win, and that choice winning, are two different things. Ask the people who wanted Dukakis to win. .


Obama and Putin had one goal in common, divide and weaken America. The democrats and media continued that effort with an endless hate and fear mongering campaign. It is clear the democrats are in league with Putin and fear Trump will damage their relationship.


To ignore the long hard list of evidence that shows Obama was played by Putin is beyond consciousness.
 
Old 07-09-2018, 07:14 AM
 
Location: NJ
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y9oVC-mGW8


consider Obama claimed air conditioning was as much of a threat as terrorism and it is statistically of no concern being killed by a terrorist.


Obama claimed the world is a more tranquil place and our elections could not be hacked. .


Putin invades Crimea and Obama sends Crimea food and blankets.


Obama pulls defensive missiles promised Poland because it annoyed Putin.
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