U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
 
Old Today, 11:09 AM
 
Location: McAllen, TX
2,363 posts, read 1,684,336 times
Reputation: 2877

Advertisements

I was going to post this in the "Curing Patients is Bad For Business" or the "Did you know that pharmaceutical ads are due to the Supreme Court?" thread but decided to start a new one.

How drug companies sell treatments by inventing diseases

The Cholesterol myth comes to mind but there are others. Not only that, it goes beyond even this. Now they have drugs to counteract or help with the side-effects of other drugs. When will it end? Now they have a drug for opiate induced constipation and an acronym to boot (OIC), lol

Quote:
“Low testosterone was among the biggest cases of disease mongering — a huge increase in prescribing a drug before the benefits and harms of treatment were established,” Schwartz said. “And yet, manufacturers claimed ‘low T’ — not aging or other medical conditions — was the reason why older men might have less energy, worse sports performance or even feeling more tired after dinner than younger men. There are no specific rules about how companies can talk about symptoms in awareness campaigns.”
Quick reply to this message

 
Old Today, 12:04 PM
 
259 posts, read 166,249 times
Reputation: 1436
Not only that but low cholesterol itself as well as statin drugs directly, can lead to lowered testosterone levels. Lower everybody's cholesterol and see what happens.
Quick reply to this message
 
Old Today, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica, CA
16,217 posts, read 5,113,094 times
Reputation: 11091
I've had this theory for years on the chol and statin drugs -- which was invented first.

My folks lived into their 90's and chol and statins for sure were not even a word in their vocabulary.

And why more dementia than ever -- more statins.

When will it end, probably never, as long as the masses continue to be the sheepole.
Quick reply to this message
 
Old Today, 12:30 PM
 
1,367 posts, read 1,302,001 times
Reputation: 1735
"Do you go to bed at night and walk up in the morning?"...




(Chris Rock skit about pharma.)
Quick reply to this message
 
Old Today, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Bloomington, IL
12,208 posts, read 6,426,239 times
Reputation: 28296
Quote:
Originally Posted by fallstaff View Post
Not only that but low cholesterol itself as well as statin drugs directly, can lead to lowered testosterone levels. Lower everybody's cholesterol and see what happens.
...my guess is that a lot of people, men and women, will be happier because that supposed huge gender gap in "desire" that men often speak of will become narrower! If you believe that kind of thing it sounds like a win-win! After all, most people get on statins after they've finished with having babies so no harm done there.
Quick reply to this message
 
Old Today, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Middle of the ocean
25,768 posts, read 16,600,731 times
Reputation: 37315
If I do not have a problem that I am aware of, it's not like any marketing is going to make me think I have one.

And for the example: DH became very low energy and wondered what was wrong. His T was very low, and now he takes it and has tons of energy. /shrug He wanted to go to one of those "men's clinics" but I sent him to the doctor first, and insurance covers the treatment.
__________________
____________________________________________
My posts as a Mod will always be in red.
Be sure to review Terms of Service: TOS
And check this out: FAQ
Moderator: Relationships Forum / Hawaii Forum (on loan)
Quick reply to this message
 
Old Today, 02:56 PM
 
4,388 posts, read 10,210,426 times
Reputation: 9307
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaminhealth View Post
I've had this theory for years on the chol and statin drugs -- which was invented first.

My folks lived into their 90's and chol and statins for sure were not even a word in their vocabulary.

And why more dementia than ever -- more statins.

When will it end, probably never, as long as the masses continue to be the sheepole.
1. Your "theories on cholesterol and statins" are not supported by facts

2. Using your parent's "vocabulary" to decide if a condition or medication is relevant is beyond ridiculous..

Did your parent's ever use the "words" PRP or Stem Cells? If not, why do THEY matter???

3. You consistently make claims regarding prevalence of dementia and statins, if you any evidence to support THIS theory please feel free to provide it...

4. Interesting that people who believe in science and evidence based medicine are "sheepole" ( I prefer the term sheeple) but believing in unproven and non covered "medical" treatments like PRP, Stem Cells, Prolotherapy makes YOU what?? a "Pioneer"? a "Savant"?

See the recent thread YOU started and only YOU have responded to ( conversation with yourself apparently) regarding "Lipogems"

A slickly marketed ad campaign for a product with dubious results targeted at a subset of the population that IS NOT covered by insurance and quite expensive....

Yeah no "sheeple" falling for "Lipogems"
Quick reply to this message
 
Old Today, 03:02 PM
 
5,309 posts, read 3,005,025 times
Reputation: 6203
Quote:
Originally Posted by bluedevilz View Post
1. Your "theories on cholesterol and statins" are not supported by facts

2. Using your parent's "vocabulary" to decide if a condition or medication is relevant is beyond ridiculous..

Did your parent's ever use the "words" PRP or Stem Cells? If not, why do THEY matter???

3. You consistently make claims regarding prevalence of dementia and statins, if you any evidence to support THIS theory please feel free to provide it...

4. Interesting that people who believe in science and evidence based medicine are "sheepole" ( I prefer the term sheeple) but believing in unproven and non covered "medical" treatments like PRP, Stem Cells, Prolotherapy makes YOU what?? a "Pioneer"? a "Savant"?

See the recent thread YOU started and only YOU have responded to ( conversation with yourself apparently) regarding "Lipogems"

A slickly marketed ad campaign for a product with dubious results targeted at a subset of the population that IS NOT covered by insurance and quite expensive....

Yeah no "sheeple" falling for "Lipogems"
Do you agree that every adult over the age of 50 should take statins as a preventive measure?
Quick reply to this message
 
Old Today, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica, CA
16,217 posts, read 5,113,094 times
Reputation: 11091
BD: Theories are just that....the pharma group has all the facts!!??.

And yes I have an open mind vs some very tightly closed ones here.
Quick reply to this message
 
Old Today, 03:27 PM
 
4,388 posts, read 10,210,426 times
Reputation: 9307
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaminhealth View Post
BD: Theories are just that....the pharma group has all the facts!!??.

And yes I have an open mind vs some very tightly closed ones here.
You say you have an "open mind" your continual disparagement of all things related to evidence based medicine shows you have anything but an open mind.....

Open mind?? Are you kidding me?? You do nothing but attack conventional medicine at every opportunity....

Its funny whenever someone tells me they have an "open mind" it usually means the exact opposite, it means they believe some absolute nonsense and wonder why the average person doesn't "share that belief"
Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


 

Quick Reply
Message:
Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2017, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 - Top