Rosenstein Holds Press Conference On Law Enforcement Announcement (interview, middle east, soldiers)
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Yes we've been over throwing governments and interfering in elections for the last 200 years.
All of a sudden Dems are outraged someone has tried it to us.
Obama should be in jail for what he did to Israel.
So we should just let it go, invite them back to the embassy. Never saw so much love for Russia and hatred for our intelligence agencies. Obama never interfered in Israeli elections, that’s just Fox News nonsense.
Trump knew Russia had emails.
What is important is what he knew and when he knew it.
how do you know trump knew the russians had the emails? especially when assange said that the emails he got were not from the russians, though he refuses to name his source
So we should just let it go, invite them back to the embassy. Never saw so much love for Russia and hatred for our intelligence agencies. Obama never interfered in Israeli elections, that’s just Fox News nonsense.
People who equate overt diplomacy by an elected leader with clandestine foreign agents spreading fake propaganda in the US while pretending to be Americans are dumb.
What does that have to do with your perceived American hypocrisy? You're arguing logistics.
Besides, foreigners get indicted in absentia all the time. Do you think just by living abroad you can escape the long arm of the law?
Ok. Do you think Israelis would be justified indicting Obama and officials in his administration for trying to interfere with Israeli elections? Or would Russians be justified for indicting US officials for pumping huge money into Russian NGOs that were trying to influence Russian elections?
Note: I am not claiming that I find that there is anything wrong with the above US actions. Just asking you whether those countries would be justified indicting US officials? Or do you think those countries would just look foolish doing that?
Ok. Do you think Israelis would be justified indicting Obama and officials in his administration for trying to interfere with Israeli elections? Or would Russians be justified for indicting US officials for pumping huge money into Russian NGOs that were trying to influence Russian elections?
Note: I am not claiming that I find that there is anything wrong with the above US actions. Just asking you whether those countries would be justified indicting US officials? Or do you think those countries would just look foolish doing that?
I think they must have some real evidence to back it up. Here in the US it takes a Grand Jury.
Let's see how the rest of the investigation plays out. Who are the Americans associated with these people???
From ABC:
"In announcing the indictment Friday, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said he had briefed President Trump on the indictment earlier this week, adding that although Americans corresponded with the indicted Russians, in this case no Americans knowingly conspired with Russian intelligence officers"
I think they must have some real evidence to back it up. Here in the US it takes a Grand Jury.
There is real evidence to back it up. But those countries wouldn't indict US officials because it would be pointless and stupid. Just like it is pointless and stupid when US does it.
Would you believe the NY Times? They are not a right-wing-nut source, are they? I mean of course they try to say that we do it for good reasons while Russians are not, but the interference itself is there, and just as blatant:
“If you ask an intelligence officer, did the Russians break the rules or do something bizarre, the answer is no, not at all,” said Steven L. Hall, who retired in 2015 after 30 years at the C.I.A., where he was the chief of Russian operations. The United States “absolutely” has carried out such election influence operations historically, he said, “and I hope we keep doing it.”
Loch K. Johnson, the dean of American intelligence scholars, who began his career in the 1970s investigating the C.I.A. as a staff member of the Senate’s Church Committee, says Russia’s 2016 operation was simply the cyber-age version of standard United States practice for decades, whenever American officials were worried about a foreign vote.
“We’ve been doing this kind of thing since the C.I.A. was created in 1947,” said Mr. Johnson, now at the University of Georgia. “We’ve used posters, pamphlets, mailers, banners — you name it. We’ve planted false information in foreign newspapers. We’ve used what the British call ‘King George’s cavalry’: suitcases of cash.”
A Carnegie Mellon scholar, Dov H. Levin, has scoured the historical record for both overt and covert election influence operations. He found 81 by the United States and 36 by the Soviet Union or Russia between 1946 and 2000, though the Russian count is undoubtedly incomplete.
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The precedent was established in Italy with assistance to non-Communist candidates from the late 1940s to the 1960s. “We had bags of money that we delivered to selected politicians, to defray their expenses,” said F. Mark Wyatt, a former C.I.A. officer, in a 1996 interview.
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C.I.A. officials told Mr. Johnson in the late 1980s that “insertions” of information into foreign news media, mostly accurate but sometimes false, were running at 70 to 80 a day. In the 1990 election in Nicaragua, the C.I.A. planted stories about corruption in the leftist Sandinista government, Mr. Levin said. The opposition won.
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Over time, more American influence operations have been mounted not secretly by the C.I.A. but openly by the State Department and its affiliates. For the 2000 election in Serbia, the United States funded a successful effort to defeat Slobodan Milosevic, the nationalist leader, providing political consultants and millions of stickers with the opposition’s clenched-fist symbol and “He’s finished” in Serbian, printed on 80 tons of adhesive paper and delivered by a Washington contractor.
Ok. Do you think Israelis would be justified indicting Obama and officials in his administration for trying to interfere with Israeli elections? Or would Russians be justified for indicting US officials for pumping huge money into Russian NGOs that were trying to influence Russian elections?
Note: I am not claiming that I find that there is anything wrong with the above US actions. Just asking you whether those countries would be justified indicting US officials? Or do you think those countries would just look foolish doing that?
Have the Russians taken the position that these 12 individuals were acting with Governmental authority? Apples and oranges.
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