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Old 07-14-2018, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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burdell is spot on here!


And the GOP is no longer solely white party.


https://www.cnn.com/2013/01/18/opini...ity/index.html


The above CNN link is 5 years old, but is about the GOP 'surprising edge on diversity' (written by a liberal writer). And the GOP has moved steadily away from being all-white ever since. It is a slow process, but it's happening.
Not a liberal writer. He's a former speechwriter for Rudy Guiliani when he was mayor
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Old 07-14-2018, 04:18 PM
 
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Interesting article from 1970 | NYT archive:

"THE Grand Old Party still lay buried under the debris of the latest Democratic landslide 1964—when a young, self‐taught ethnologist named Kevin Phillips emerged from his charts and maps to avow to skeptical hearers that just around the corner was an inevi table cycle of Republican dominance that would begin in the late nine teen‐sixties and prosper until the advent of the 21st century."

On Negroes and the G.O.P.:

“All the talk about Republicans making inroads into the Negro vote is persiflage. Even ‘Jake the Snake’ [Senator Jacob K. Javits only gets 20 per cent. From now on, the Re publicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 per cent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that . . . but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and be come Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.

This is the essence of the southern strategy.

It wasn't so difficult to assert. Strom Thurmond had already just recently taken the Democratic party machinery in some states (notably South Carolina, parts of Georgia, Louisiana and Mississippi) with him into the Dixiecrat party schism, and then on, the entire party machinery, into the waiting arms of the Republican National Committee, supplanting the largely African American Republican party in those areas.

Also this interesting bit:
"WHAT of the Democratic party? It will retreat to the Northeast corner, where there is a high percentage of liberal Jews, Yankees, Negroes and, Phillips believes, masses of subsidized radicals employed by the liberal establishment. The only other Democratic area will be the Pacific North west, which historically fol lows the electoral patterns of the Northeast."

Kevin Phillips, like Roger Stone, worked for Richard Nixon. All of this written in 1970 during Richard Nixon's administration.

Get a load of this ...
Lee Atwater’s Infamous 1981 Interview on the Southern Strategy

You start out in 1954 by saying, “******, ******, ******.” By 1968 you can’t say “******”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “******, ******.”
Republican strategist Lee Atwater interviewed in 1981
(You may listen to the interview by following the link above)

If you are too young to remember Lee Atwater that likely explains why you may fall for the historical revisionism of the Original Post on this thread.
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Old 07-14-2018, 05:27 PM
 
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Interesting article from 1970 | NYT archive:

"THE Grand Old Party still lay buried under the debris of the latest Democratic landslide 1964—when a young, self‐taught ethnologist named Kevin Phillips emerged from his charts and maps to avow to skeptical hearers that just around the corner was an inevi table cycle of Republican dominance that would begin in the late nine teen‐sixties and prosper until the advent of the 21st century."

On Negroes and the G.O.P.:

“All the talk about Republicans making inroads into the Negro vote is persiflage. Even ‘Jake the Snake’ [Senator Jacob K. Javits only gets 20 per cent. From now on, the Re publicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 per cent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that . . . but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and be come Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.

This is the essence of the southern strategy.

It wasn't so difficult to assert. Strom Thurmond had already just recently taken the Democratic party machinery in some states (notably South Carolina, parts of Georgia, Louisiana and Mississippi) with him into the Dixiecrat party schism, and then on, the entire party machinery, into the waiting arms of the Republican National Committee, supplanting the largely African American Republican party in those areas.

Also this interesting bit:
"WHAT of the Democratic party? It will retreat to the Northeast corner, where there is a high percentage of liberal Jews, Yankees, Negroes and, Phillips believes, masses of subsidized radicals employed by the liberal establishment. The only other Democratic area will be the Pacific North west, which historically fol lows the electoral patterns of the Northeast."

Kevin Phillips, like Roger Stone, worked for Richard Nixon. All of this written in 1970 during Richard Nixon's administration.

Get a load of this ...
Lee Atwater’s Infamous 1981 Interview on the Southern Strategy

You start out in 1954 by saying, “******, ******, ******.” By 1968 you can’t say “******”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “******, ******.”
Republican strategist Lee Atwater interviewed in 1981
(You may listen to the interview by following the link above)

If you are too young to remember Lee Atwater that likely explains why you may fall for the historical revisionism of the Original Post on this thread.
Facts like the above blow quite a hole in the oft-peddled lie that the “Southern Strategy” didn’t exist. But of course they’ll continue to lie, because that’s just what they do.
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Old 07-14-2018, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Facts like the above blow quite a hole in the oft-peddled lie that the “Southern Strategy†didn’t exist. But of course they’ll continue to lie, because that’s just what they do.
The issue is the southern strategy only works if the Republican candidate is able to get enough votes in the rust belt too. That is what happened with Trump, Bush (both) and Reagan as well as Nixon.
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Old 07-14-2018, 05:56 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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If by conservative you mean favoring less government and less government spending: NEITHER!

They just spend spend spend and grow grow grow while dancing to different tunes.
Hahaha government cannot possibly be too big for today's GOP when it comes to policing everyone's private lives making they stay on "God's path." And it's impossible to spend too much defending stupid unconstitutional bills.
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Old 07-14-2018, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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What I find funny about the "southern strategy deniers" is that they will steadfastly claim that people didn't switch parties because of the civil and voting rights act that LBJ signed. They will say that the Republicans were the driving force in these bills (the truth is that northern dems and republicans supported the bills and southerners of both parties rejected them).

But they will proudly say that the south switched parties in response to the great society programs that LBJ also implemented. So apparently the southerners had no problems with blacks voting (after trying tooth and nail to stop them from voting for the previous 80 years). It's just that they (blacks) didn't deserve federal aid, or equal schools, or equal justice under the law.
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Old 07-14-2018, 06:06 PM
 
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Seems to be a Republican thing, when something in history is uncomfortable for them, they try to revise history.

How can the Southern Strategy be a liberal myth when the GOP chairman publicly apologized to the NAACP in 2005 for it? "In 2005, Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman formally apologized to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), a national civil rights organization, for exploiting racial polarization to win elections and ignoring the black vote." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
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Old 07-14-2018, 06:15 PM
 
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Seems to be a Republican thing, when something in history is uncomfortable for them, they try to revise history.

How can the Southern Strategy be a liberal myth when the GOP chairman publicly apologized to the NAACP in 2005 for it? "In 2005, Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman formally apologized to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), a national civil rights organization, for exploiting racial polarization to win elections and ignoring the black vote." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
FAKE NEWS!

Hey, you know that's what they're thinking. It's become their go-to response when they can't rewrite history to make themselves look better.
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Old 07-14-2018, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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What do you expect? They believe Trump when he denies on Friday ("fake news!") what he was RECORDED saying on Thursday.
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Old 07-14-2018, 06:40 PM
 
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The issue is the southern strategy only works if the Republican candidate is able to get enough votes in the rust belt too. That is what happened with Trump, Bush (both) and Reagan as well as Nixon.
I remember when my uncle ran for congress in Chicago. It was a long shot but they pulled out all of the same plays that were used in the southern strategy. It played well in the Marquette Park area and the Bogan High School area, but he lost anyway.

I also remember when Harold Washington ran as the Democratic nominee for mayor of Chicago. The first African American to do so.

The Republicans put up Bernie Epton. The Republican slogan was "Epton for mayor... Before it's too late".
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