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I don't think you guys know who dreamers are. These are people brought here as children, grew up here, went to school, many now have college educations. These are the people that are working for low wages.
Also, not true that there are plenty of qualified Americans for tech companies to hire. If there were, they wouldn't outsource everything to India.
It's well known that companies are hiring cheap foreign tech workers and letting their American ones go. Where have you been? Outsourcing is happening in many other industries for the same reason. There are plenty of qualified American tech workers available.
Yes, the federal government should ensure that our borders are secure and we know who is entering this country. But I think private businesses should be able to recruit the best and brightest from here and around the world. By the way, this isn't just large corporations wanting "cheap labor."
Speaking with manufacturing executives after the election, their first topic of discussion was not protection from imports but access to engineers. For American manufacturing to thrive, products must be invented and production methods optimized. That means engineers.
For every engineer working in manufacturing there are 20 other jobs, according to the federal government’s tally of employees by occupation. Engineering is largely complementary to production and maintenance jobs, which account for a majority of factory employees. That is, availability of one type of worker spurs demand for the other type. Engineering can also substitute for production workers, as when an engineer automates a manual function. Generally, though, a limitation on engineers will limit employment of other manufacturing jobs. When engineers are in short supply, a company finds it more advantageous to outsource production or shift activities to a location with a more plentiful supply of engineering talent.
The general talk about STEM degrees—science, technology, engineering and mathematics—covers up significant surpluses and shortages within these fields. Biology, bioengineering and chemistry tend to be in surplus, according to a 2015 analysis by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, while computer-related people are in strong demand. With products and production processes becoming more computerized, it makes sense to lump many computer professions in with engineering. The programmers at Facebook may not be enabling manufacturing jobs, but most every factory has somebody with strong computer skills involved in design and production.
Manpower’s annual list of the ten hardest jobs to fill puts engineers in 9th place but rising in the rankings.
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Immigrants make up a substantial portion of these engineers, as the chart shows. (Thanks to Migration Policy Institute for permission to reprint.) Among college-educated workers in U.S., 15% were foreign born. In science and engineering, 27% are foreign born, according to an NSF report in 2014. The percentage is even higher in computer science. The Trump administration hasn’t issued any rules (as of the afternoon that this is being written) about broad immigration, but it could come directly or in response to some other international issue.
The average engineer in the U.S. earns around $100,000. That is not "cheap labor."
I am against illegal immigration, but I am very much for a pathway to legal status for those who came here and committed no other crimes. Unfortunately, both Donald Trump and Democrats have created a wedge issue here.
Sensing desperation in certain rural communities in places like Wisconsin and Michigan, President Trump made building a wall and deporting people a central issue in his campaign, playing on the fears of rural workers who lack work because of a slow economic recovery, a skills gap, and a lack of U.S. competitiveness in manufacturing in recent decades.
Democrats, seeing a chance to create a new permanent constituency, have decided to both scare immigrants by portraying all Republicans as anti-immigrant and give special benefits to those here illegally in an effort to secure votes from their relatives and if they become legal immigrants, them.
The reality is, illegal border crossings have declined following the great recession and President George W. Bush doubling border patrol agents. Our border is secure, now I believe we should focus on a pathway to legal status and ending taxpayer-funded subsidies that encourage illegal immigration while embracing legal immigration and the hard-working legal immigrants who contribute so much to our economy and culture.
There are plenty of Americans who are 100% US citizens for these tech companies to hire. No need for Dreamers.
Wish that was the case. But as someone in the tech world in on hiring decisions we simply do not produce enough graduates interested in tech for some reason. Would much prefer working with a local natural citizen with a good grip of the english language. Visa sponsorship is expensive and a pain in the ass. The rates you pay for someone offshore in India aren't much lower, largely because their head hunting org takes a huge chunk of it as profit.
It's well known that companies are hiring cheap foreign tech workers and letting their American ones go. Where have you been? Outsourcing is happening in many other industries for the same reason. There are plenty of qualified American tech workers available.
That was a trend 10+ years ago. With the industry switching to agile development and wanting tighter knit teams that has been reversing. Also because those offshore rates have been reaching near parity.
Yes, the federal government should ensure that our borders are secure and we know who is entering this country. But I think private businesses should be able to recruit the best and brightest from here and around the world. By the way, this isn't just large corporations wanting "cheap labor."
The average engineer in the U.S. earns around $100,000. That is not "cheap labor."
I am against illegal immigration, but I am very much for a pathway to legal status for those who came here and committed no other crimes. Unfortunately, both Donald Trump and Democrats have created a wedge issue here.
Sensing desperation in certain rural communities in places like Wisconsin and Michigan, President Trump made building a wall and deporting people a central issue in his campaign, playing on the fears of rural workers who lack work because of a slow economic recovery, a skills gap, and a lack of U.S. competitiveness in manufacturing in recent decades.
Democrats, seeing a chance to create a new permanent constituency, have decided to both scare immigrants by portraying all Republicans as anti-immigrant and give special benefits to those here illegally in an effort to secure votes from their relatives and if they become legal immigrants, them.
The reality is, illegal border crossings have declined following the great recession and President George W. Bush doubling border patrol agents. Our border is secure, now I believe we should focus on a pathway to legal status and ending taxpayer-funded subsidies that encourage illegal immigration while embracing legal immigration and the hard-working legal immigrants who contribute so much to our economy and culture.
We don't need these people! What part of that aren't you getting? We have enough Americans to fill any job for a fair wage. We have enough people here already whom are mainly Americans contributing to our economy. Contributing to our culture? We already have more diversity than any other country in the world. Until every able-bodied American has a job and we stabilize our population growth legal immigration should be at a minimum. And no, I don't believe in rewarding illegal immigration no matter how they got here. There are still are a large number of illegal aliens coming here every year, declining or not.
I am against illegal immigration, but I am very much for a pathway to legal status for those who came here and committed no other crimes.
So this new pathway to citizenship entails coming here anyway you can and commit no other crime. In that case, every one of those detained at the border right now would qualify.
How is it possible for illegals not to have committed any other crime than crossing our border illegally? How are they working if not committing felony ID theft or working for cash evading taxes? They live a life of lies. It's already proven that rewarding unlawful behavior encourages more. How are Americans to get their jobs back if they are given a path to legal status? Is this fair to legal immigrants who waited patiently in their homelands, paid fees, etc. to come here the right way? It would also negate our sane annual quotas for legal immigration for years to come.
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