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Nothing, that's the point. The entire Russia scandal is a liberal fantasy that they just can't give up. They just can't handle the idea that most of the country didn't want Hillary.
The libs have been in meltdown mode since November 2016, and they can't figure out why Trump won. So far, Russia is one of the things they blame their loss on. They haven't created a winning strategy, nor would come up with a candidate. Who would they run in 2020, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris or Oprah?
In a few sentences tell me how Russia allowed Donny to win. How did they force 400k people in Ohio and tens of thousands of people in other states to vote for the Don.
Be specific and clear and write in a few sentences.
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Originally Posted by greywar
They hacked and released information on one side of the election.
They provided the support of a army of online trolls and posters, along with a large amount of professional propaganda
They put money in the NRA that went to the GOP it appears.
All of this influenced votes.
And no-it didnt FORCE people. Thats a manipulative attempt to define the discussion. You are trying to be incredibly manipulative however by requiring people to be clear, and in a few sentences for what is a very complex topic. And your response will cover the complexities of the issues. You hope to win the argument by defining the battle ground, then ignoring your rules.
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Originally Posted by Chicano3000X
In short, holding someone verbally hostage.
"They hacked and released information on one side of the election."
Where is the proof that anything was hacked?
The DNC servers should have been the FBI's exhibit "A", they certainly wanted them, but the DNC refused to allow the FBI the opportunity to examine them.
The opinion that Russia hacked them comes from a company (Crowdstrike) hired by the DNC to examine the servers and prepare a report for the FBI without ever allowing the experts at the FBI to test/examine them for real evidence.
Then, after the servers were physically destroyed, the same FBI that exonerated a very guilty Hillary under the most questionable circumstances in DOJ history, not only accepted Crowdstrike's work, but slapped their own seal of approval onto it.
Since then we have been referencing Russian hacked servers as though indisputable fact.
In fact, publicly questioning the still unproven claims of a company hired by the DNC and inexplicably echoed by the FBI will, in the strictest Orwellian fashion, result in the questioner being labeled a traitor.
Meanwhile, the reason that the release of the information was so damaging to Democrats isn't because it tipped off the RNC as to their strategy or methods, or even some secret Clinton medical condition.
No, what it exposed was what most people already suspected; the Clinton campaign cheated.
Of course, at the time, we had no idea about the extent of the cheating.
We also had no idea how many people were involved or the extremes they would go to in order to deliver a rigged election victory to Clinton.
Sure, we knew reporters were submitting stories to the Clinton campaign for pre-publish approval and editing and we knew she had been provided sealed debate questions prior to debates, but we knew nothing of the help she received from high-ranking O-DOJ officials to avoid prosecution or the many interconnected fingerprints on the Steele Dossier used to facilitate spying on the Trump campaign during an ongoing campaign.
Nixon could only dream of things the O-admin actually did.
Who cares! The vast, overwhelming majority of humans on this planet are just trying to live their lives, just like you and I. You’re far more likely to die falling down the stairs, or crossing the street.
You’re more likely to die from any number of diseases.
It’s not worth the stress, and you’ll probably live longer not worrying about something that is unlikely to kill you.
Are Trump supporters too stupid or too lazy to simply look up all the ways Russia influenced the 2016 presidential election and the ties between Trump’s campaign and Russian agents?
This is intellectual dishonesty at its finest. The left has contorted a maze of conspiracy theories, and mission impossible sequences that would make Tom Cruise jealous.
Does everyone have amnesia or what?
During the election Hillary had EVERY advantage by every metric over Trump.
Nearly every stitch of media from cable news commentators to serious journalists, to comedians, to every celebrity musician and athlete and 4 living ex presidents in addition to the last GOP runner up to every major social media outlet to nearly EVERY newspaper were in her corner.
Throughout the campaign NO ONE thought Trump had a chance--and EVERY POLL before the election has her winning by a LANDSLIDE.
So what the hell is everyone talking about when they claim that "Putin influenced the election"?
All the "influence" favored Hillary by light years.
Yet the left keeps gumming up these hollow slogans where the media and their base creates hysteria and panic with cheap headlines that lacks substances and texture. It's really quite disgusting.
And just think... this is the SAME DEMOCRATIC PARTY that screamed and hollered like hit dogs when Bush completely based his decision to invade Iraq by what he intelligence community told him. NOW the Democrats are swearing that their word is the holy grail.
Even Stephen Spielberg couldn't make this stuff up
"They hacked and released information on one side of the election."
Where is the proof that anything was hacked?
The DNC servers should have been thr FBI's exhibit "A", they certainly wanted them, but the DNC refused to allow the FBI to examine them.
The opinion that Russia hacked them comes from a company hired by the DNC to examine the servers and prepare a report for the FBI without ever allowing the experts at the FBI to test/examine them for real evidence.
Then, after the servers were physically destroyed, the same FBI that exonerated a very guilty Hillary under the most questionable circumstances in DOJ history, not only accepted Crowdstrike's work, but slapped their own seal of approval onto it.
Since then we have been referencing Russian hacked servers as though indisputable fact.
In fact, publicly questioning the still unproven claims of a company hired by the DNC and inexplicably echoed by the FBI will, in the strictest Orwellian fashion, result in the questioner being labeled a traitor.
Meanwhile, the reason that the release of the information was so damaging to Democrats isn't because it tipped off the RNC as to their strategy or methods, or even some secret Clinton medical condition.
No, what it exposed was what most people already suspected; the Clinton campaign cheated.
Of course, at the time, we had no idea about the extent of the cheating.
We also had no idea how many people were involved or the extremes they would go to in order to deliver a rigged election victory to Clinton.
Sure, we knew reporters were submitting stories to the Clinton campaign for pre-publish approval and editing and we knew she had been provided sealed debate questions prior to debates, but we knew nothing of the help she received from high-ranking O-DOJ officials to avoid prosecution or the many interconnected fingerprints on the Steele Dossier used to facilitate spying on the Trump campaign during an ongoing campaign.
Nixon could only dream of things the O-admin actually did.
Your whole argument is based on the pretense that the DNC servers were the only computers the Russians interacted with, which is false.
The Russian government used dozens of personas, across dozens of rented servers, funded by numerous bitcoin transactions, to attract the DNC, the RNC, as well as several voting machine companies.
It’s not like the movies; plenty of evidence was left behind, including attempts by the Russians to cover up the crimes.
Eh I’d like to keep this country safe from any more disasters and problems. We already have enough problems as it is
Which is a noble cause, but it’s illogical for us to focus our limited resources on problems that are statistically unlikely, especially when *far* more common causes of death remain untouched.
Ok I 'll bite.. Come again on how Hillary is crooked? The lady had her emails stolen. And she s the criminal? The criminal who stole her emails is not the criminal?
This is intellectual dishonesty at its finest. The left has contorted a maze of conspiracy theories, and mission impossible sequences that would make Tom Cruise jealous.
Does everyone have amnesia or what?
During the election Hillary had EVERY advantage by every metric over Trump.
Nearly every stitch of media from cable news commentators to serious journalists, to comedians, to every celebrity musician and athlete and 4 living ex presidents in addition to the last GOP runner up to every major social media outlet to nearly EVERY newspaper were in her corner.
Throughout the campaign NO ONE thought Trump had a chance--and EVERY POLL before the election has her winning by a LANDSLIDE.
So what the hell is everyone talking about when they claim that "Putin influenced the election"?
All the "influence" favored Hillary by light years.
Yet the left keeps gumming up these hallow slogans that the media and their base create hysteria with riddled with conspiracy theories.
Actually the RCP average of the polls had Hillary with 272 electoral votes and Trump 266 and actually showed Hillary’s popular vote lead as less than the final result. What the polls showed was a Trump surge after Comey reopened the email case.
Ok I 'll bite.. Come again on how Hillary is crooked? The lady had her emails stolen. And she s the criminal? The criminal who stole her emails is not the criminal?
It's Hillary, people hate her. I don't like her but she is far better than Trump has proven. The guy is a traitor and committed treason today. He needs to be removed from office and sentenced like any committer of high crime is...
Actually the RCP average of the polls had Hillary with 272 electoral votes and Trump 266 and actually showed Hillary’s popular vote lead as les than the final result. What the polls showed was a Trump surge after Comey reopened the email case.
I agree with this, the Comey re-investigation did far more harm than good for Hillary and a lot more good for Trump. Comey effected the election more so than the Russians, but what the Russians did minus the fake news was illegal. It isn't illegal for the FBI to open investigations or continue them on presidential candidates.
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