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Yep, I agree. Its not a successful business model if you rely so heavily on people willing to work for low pay.
In the end, some places may shut down, but others will take their place, that is pretty much guaranteed actually. someone will come along that can make it work.
No, they won't. Businesses will fail, but that's not the central problem. New restaurants will stop opening, but that's not the central problem. The problem is filthy mediocrities, and the ploiticians they elect, who utilize the state to bludgeon people on their behalf because they are too useless to become truly valuable to anyone.
The minimum wage is an indicator that our society is composed, in part, of some truly evil and nasty people. The minimum wage is a symptom of a sociological cancer.
1: The minimum wage is monopolistic price fixing. It is immoral. It is hateful. It is disgusting. The state has no business telling anyone what to pay as wages.
2: There is no such thing as a living wage. There is no right to demand any wage. There is no right to a job. All of this should be based on free market principles, which means the principle of trade.
3: The minimum wage is socialistic tyranny and fascistic coercion. It is also theft. It is also a violation of common sense.
The solution?
Adoption of free market principles. The minimum wage should be revoked. It is preposterous and evil that people who do low level tasks should demand unreasonable pay and use the police power of the state to take what they cannot earn. To steal what they cannot trade for.
You do realize minimum wage came about due to New Deal Politics in the early 1900s. The kind of politics that lead to the greatest economic generation, the creation of the middle class. (Of course black people were shut out of the New Deal.) So how can you say it's fascist, when we had our greatest economic boom under such policy?
It sounds like a 2 hour job for the owner anywhere else. Liberal cities and their laws and regulations are a disaster for the people living there. I grew up in NYS (yes, a birth defect) and saw how FUBAR things were.
It was in a brick building. The awning mounts went into the brick so there was masonry. Still a 10K to 15K job in high cost NJ. Figure 150 for the permit and 250 for the inspections in most towns. Some towns are worse, others just want you to keep your property up to code. The town I live in, the permit for anything sub 5K ish for single trade is a huge 24 bucks for residential including one inspection. Their goal is just to keep everything up and let homeowners get stuff done without going around city hall, that way it is done to code.
1: The minimum wage is monopolistic price fixing. It is immoral. It is hateful. It is disgusting. The state has no business telling anyone what to pay as wages.
2: There is no such thing as a living wage. There is no right to demand any wage. There is no right to a job. All of this should be based on free market principles, which means the principle of trade.
3: The minimum wage is socialistic tyranny and fascistic coercion. It is also theft. It is also a violation of common sense.
The solution?
Adoption of free market principles. The minimum wage should be revoked. It is preposterous and evil that people who do low level tasks should demand unreasonable pay and use the police power of the state to take what they cannot earn. To steal what they cannot trade for.
Make
America
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Put the lower 60% back into the slum where they belong.
You do realize minimum wage came about due to New Politics in the early 1900s. The kind of politics that lead to the greatest economic generation, the creation of the middle class. (Of course black people were shut out of the New Deal.) So how can you say it's fascist, when we had our greatest economic boom under such policy?
1: It's fascist because it meets the definition of fascism. Nominal private ownership of the means of production with frequent tyrannical intervention by the state. So, for example, a restaurant "owner" who is coerced, by the state using its police power, to obey price fixing of his labor cost. That's an example of economic fascism. It is immoral and should be repealed.
2: It doesn't matter when it started, or why it started. It is wrong on its face and on the merits.
Prove it! All Conservatives have done is rely on anecdotal fear-mongering to make the point about increasing min wage. You've done it EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
We have NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER had a crash from raising min wage and yet EVERY EVERY EVERY EVERY time it's proposed, Conservatives trot out the same tired, un-proven argument.
But $15/hr is the one that's finally going to prove your point, right?
Exactly.
The blame is always placed on the least of these but never on the greedy landlords changing insane rents or the CEOs who are somehow always worth several millions in annual salary.
I've seen multiple articles warning shareholders how bad is almost full employment for their bottom lines, because of course if they can't find workers at the measly wages they are now offering they will have to, horror of horrors, raise wages.
If people cannot afford to live somewhere within commuting distance to where they work, where are the workers going to come from?
There is such a disconnect between those who argue that people shouldn't be paid even $15.00 an hour and at the same time say that people should move somewhere less expensive.
How far should people commute for a $10.00-$15.00 an hour job?
1: It's fascist because it meets the definition of fascism. Nominal private ownership of the means of production with frequent tyrannical intervention by the state. So, for example, a restaurant "owner" who is coerced, by the state using its police power, to obey price fixing of his labor cost. That's an example of economic fascism. It is immoral and should be repealed.
2: It doesn't matter when it started, or why it started. It is wrong on its face and on the merits.
They aren't telling businesses what to pay their workers. They are telling businesses the least they can pay. So if a company wants to go above that and compete for workers, they are free to do so. Yay for free market capitalism!!!!!!!!!
A business has rights. Workers also have rights. Minimum wage is a part of workers rights. That wage should correspond to how much it takes to live today.
It will work out. That 9$ steak you currently pay 30$ for in a restaurant will soon cost you 40$ and all will be right with the world.
Naw... there are no 9-dollar steaks in New York.
They already cost 40 dollars.
Now, they'll cost 42 dollars.
It'll be fine.
Restaurants are risky, by nature.
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