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How is she supposed to know there is no threat? She had a split second to evaluate the situation and to defend herself. Her back was turned she couldn’t see what he was doing.
Look at the video again, it was obvious he was walking away.
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I mean why do you hold her to a higher standard than we hold professional law enforcement officers?
You mean why do you hold law enforcement to a lower standard than we the people. lol What would or should happen to a cop who witnessed that and choked the perv?
She didn’t attack him, she used exactly enough force to detain him until law enforcement arrived.
lol Of course she did. It wasn't an all out assault mind you. She needs lessens on how to detain someone.
Revenge or defending oneself but she wasn't thinking about detaining him when she went after him.
"Do it again and you'll get more of the same" or defending yourself against another attack.
She said - "You have every right to wear what you want and you most certainly have every right to defend yourself."
That isn't about holding him until the cops come.
No doubt this guy is sleazy. At first I heard he was arrested in front of the wife and kids I assumed it was at his house but it was at the restaurant. He did this in front of his wife. That leads me to believe that he's done it before. Not a rare occurence. The staff said it happened a lot and they put the cameras up for that reason.
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You do think it is appropriate that he spent 2 days in jail tho right?
No. not for this crime. Unless he has some history of it. Then no problem with jail time. Otherwise it's a waste of the taxpayers money imo. A fine would be the the way to do it. You want to punish someone over this, hit them where it hurts, in the wallet.
Where do you draw the line? Obviously the perv wasn't physically hurt. What about if fell on a knife or broken glass? Or hit his head on the table and suffered brain damage? She performed the same act, the end result is all that differed.
I'm worried that some women will think they can hit a man and get away without being pummeled.
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I'm of two minds on this one. At first I was thinking good for her for confronting the guy and humiliating him. He definitely had it coming. But then she calls the cops on him and he ends up going to jail over it. I think that takes it too far. Slamming him to the ground and humiliating him is a punishment that fits the crime. Throwing him in jail is going overboard. That butt grab was not a life altering moment for the waitress, some simple public humiliation should suffice.
You've spent the thread minimizing what he did. Not the same as justifying it, but just as bad.
Touching a woman's bottom is no different than touching her breast or vagina. It's not a generational thing, IS a big deal, and while I don't view it as violence, by law it is sexual assault.
And I think a man who is bold enough to grab a woman's behind won't stop there and would think it's funny to grab her breast or vagina. He's already proven that he has no respect for boundaries.
She didn't react that way out of revenge or self-defense, she was trying to detain him and said as much. You don't know if he was getting ready to leave, or on his way out or anything else, so stop crafting a scenario to fit your narrative.
Oh look at the pot calling the kettle black. If I'm "crafting a scenario to fit a narrative" what do you call what you're doing when you say, "a man who is bold enough to grab a woman's behind won't stop there...?"
Oh look at the pot calling the kettle black. If I'm "crafting a scenario to fit a narrative" what do you call what you're doing when you say, "a man who is bold enough to grab a woman's behind won't stop there...?"
I said that's what I think, and I do think that. It's an opinion. I'm not stating it as fact.
But I guess you have no response to minimizing this or anything else I posted, so you had to zone in on one line as though I'm being a hypocrite.
We get it - there's no excuse for what you've posted and you can't justify it any way.
Oh look at the pot calling the kettle black. If I'm "crafting a scenario to fit a narrative" what do you call what you're doing when you say, "a man who is bold enough to grab a woman's behind won't stop there...?"
This is a long thread, so perhaps you didn't see this post by me.
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WW, I usually agree with your posts, but I am struggling to see your side in this.
The woman who was groped here states it was more than a "tap on the butt" but that he actually grabbed her genitals. If that's true, would that change your mind? Do you believe he should just get away with a fine for doing that?
I said that's what I think, and I do think that. It's an opinion. I'm not stating it as fact.
But I guess you have no response to minimizing this or anything else I posted, so you had to zone in on one line as though I'm being a hypocrite.
We get it - there's no excuse for what you've posted and you can't justify it any way.
I didn't address your comment about you thinking I'm minimizing what the guy did because there isn't anything I can say except "I don't agree." Duh. It's a matter of how we both view sexual assault through different lens. You lens lumps everything from a butt touches to rape as all the same thing. My lens lets me see them in varying degrees of severity.
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Originally Posted by JAMS14 WW, I usually agree with your posts, but I am struggling to see your side in this.
The woman who was groped here states it was more than a "tap on the butt" but that he actually grabbed her genitals. If that's true, would that change your mind? Do you believe he should just get away with a fine for doing that?
No, I didn't see your post, Jams14. I have watched that video almost a dozen times and I sure don't see a grab for her genitals. His hand wasn't low enough on her butt for that in my opinion and it didn't stay there more than a few seconds. Without better proof it's her word against what we CAN see on the video. IF it were true that he was able to reach that far forward in a split second, I really don't know what an appropriate punishment should be. Has he been charged with like offenses in the past? Does he show any kind of remorse or offer any kind of apology after he was charged? That's what we have judges for, who know all the facts. A sexual assault should have the same kinds of fines and punishments applied as other kinds of assaults and I'm assuming they don't start out giving jail time when no one was physically injured. A couple of hours in jail to cool off and get the stories documented of those involved, yes, but after I just don't know the laws well enough to answer your question.
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