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Perhaps the shooter was threatening to kill the girlfriend (as others have said he has done in the past). Maybe the victim threatened to kill the shooter. I don't know. But the video alone doesn't indicate that someone should have been killed. There are serious moral inadequacies of anyone who thinks that shove (in defense of his girlfriend) alone was a good enough reason to DIE.
No one should have died but then no one should be charged either in this circumstance. Just because someone dies doesn't mean we need to pass out charges and the person responsible should go to prison.
Is that easy enough for you to grasp? Or will you simplify it to shove = death again?
The point about the second guy coming out is what the shooter may have thought. The shooter may have thought he was being approached by two men, one of whom just shoved him down.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the story in the OP said someone went in and told the shover about the argument outside. Or maybe I heard that on the radio tis morning.
Not sure if the shooter was aware of the guy in blue shirt. He didn't seem to look in his direction but may have seen him in peripheral vision. He also had the girlfriend to his right so may have been facing three potential adversaries from different sides.
I lean towards giving the shooter the benefit of the doubt but haven't drawn any conclusions. I'd want to hear the audio, hear the interview with shooter and girlfriend and guy in blue, and know any relevant history. I think no-billing him is a bit premature.
So you shove someone to the ground. Does that mean the person on the ground has a right to feel his life is at risk? Should pause for a moment? Should he pull a gun and first inform the guy to back off? Or is he right to just kill someone for getting shoved to the ground?
Sure he might feel threatened, but the guy who shoved him didn't really seem to be trying to keep going after him.
(Note: don't read into the source of the news link above. It was one of the few articles I could find that easily included the video footage.)
Absolutely. It is an individuals natural right to self defense as they see fit, not for you or me or anyone else for that matter, but the individual in the situation, to decide what is appropriate as they see fit.
Don't harm anyone. There won't be an issue. Don't threaten anyone. There won't be an issue.
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Defense is defense. It is a natural right.
It is not open to subjective interpretation unless defense was used while engaging in criminal enterprise. Say protecting a drug stash from a competitive gang.
Those were the days women could not vote nor had any rights whatsoever. We moved passed those times.
No, it was not too long ago, and in other countries men still do it. Try running your mouth at someone's wife, girlfriend or child in Europe, or Latin America, and you'll probably get punched in the face. This is why it is very uncommon for anyone to cross that line. They know there are consequences.
No, it was not too long ago, and in other countries men still do it. Try running your mouth at someone's wife, girlfriend or child in Europe, or Latin America, and you'll probably get punched in the face. This is why it is very uncommon for anyone to cross that line. They know there are consequences.
there are also consequences for shoving someone, it seems
No, it was not too long ago, and in other countries men still do it. Try running your mouth at someone's wife, girlfriend or child in Europe, or Latin America, and you'll probably get punched in the face. This is why it is very uncommon for anyone to cross that line. They know there are consequences.
Spare me your internet tough guy shtick. It's so so boring. I'm from Lisbon. You'd think I know how Europeans behave. I'm also 43. I have lived my life where I entered into many verbal altercations, even with man's wives. Both in the USA and in Europe. Never has anyone resorted to violence. And if they did, I'd gladly clean their clocks in court.
I do. I've traveled to 67 different countries, 7 continents, and by the tone and maturity of your statements, I'm guessing I'm older than you. But who knows, Americans tend to be immature.
What do you know about Europeans? I'm typing this from my flat in Lisbon.
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