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It saddens me that when someone takes on a tough issue, they are slammed as being anything but a decent person. I don't mean to degrade or put down any one of any race. As hard as it might be for some to understand, my sole purpose for this thread was to draw attention to what I consider a real issue.
funny, I didn't realize that lying for your own personal gain was a black stereotype. that's true of ALL races, hence, it's not a stereotype
people lie, that's a solid fact in life. people lie esp. if they can gain from it. lying is not specific to any race, ethnicity, or sex. lying is very rarely considered a racial/ethnic stereotype
I guess I'm just not understanding how this one woman's actions are a discredit to the whole race. I mean, she had bad credit and lied to try to get a house and was denied. I had good credit and was honest, got approved, and got my house. We are both Black women. I just don't see how what she did is a reflection on me or the whole race. I could see if mortgage companies said "Well, she's Black no need to bother running her report because its gonna be bad anyway". But if the report is ran and you can clearly see whether this person qualifies or not, I don't see what the problem is. Folks can stereotype all they want and assume that my credit is bad. As long as they run the report and see that its good and treat me accordingly, I don't care.
I guess I'm just not understanding how this one woman's actions are a discredit to the whole race. I mean, she had bad credit and lied to try to get a house and was denied. I had good credit and was honest, got approved, and got my house. We are both Black women. I just don't see how what she did is a reflection on me or the whole race. I could see if mortgage companies said "Well, she's Black no need to bother running her report because its gonna be bad anyway". But if the report is ran and you can clearly see whether this person qualifies or not, I don't see what the problem is. Folks can stereotype all they want and assume that my credit is bad. As long as they run the report and see that its good and treat me accordingly, I don't care.
Perfectly said! Just do the same for everyone, and make the decisions based on good sound business judgement.
It saddens me that when someone takes on a tough issue, they are slammed as being anything but a decent person. I don't mean to degrade or put down any one of any race. As hard as it might be for some to understand, my sole purpose for this thread was to draw attention to what I consider a real issue.
Tom are you saying that some people that you hope to be able to get into a house or apartment, cannot qualify and you have to turn them down. And that some people may appear to be on the up and up, but their references do not support your initial assessment of their ability to qualify. And even though you are trying your best to work with all the people in the area, you cannot offer housing to people who do not qualify.
I think we all agree that you are doing a good job as a manager. I for one do not understand how you then take the next step and make the issue about race and that is why we are having trouble understanding the issue.
I am suggesting however, that black American goals are the same as other American's; however, black Americans won't practice the self-discipline to achieve the goals they have. BY NO MEANS DOES THIS INCLUDE ALL BLACK AMERICANS Many black Americans who have practiced good self-discipline have achieved wealth.
I am not a genius, and while I agree education is a big part of the issue I am speaking of, facts are all I am interested in. I would be interested in seeing if any one knows of any studies which either validate my hypothesis or completely throw my theory completely out into the cold. Let's try not to be emotional here, but rather, let's speak with good solid information and data. If I am "full of it" then so be it. I will gladly bow in regret that I mentioned it, but if I am not stuffed like the proverbal Christmas Turkey, then the losers are the people such as the lady who needed to rent the property. Let's not be afraid of opening doors.
Tom, I'm going to stray from the others and agree with what you're saying in that there is a definite stereotype out there that bastardizes the African-American race (wrongfully may I add). I think what is sad is that we've become such a politically correct society that nobody else in this thread besides you or I can accept this and acknowledge it.
I think no matter how liberal, open-minded, or tolerant we all claim to be, we still ALL have some sort of fleeting prejudiced thoughts running through our minds from time to time. I like to consider myself a very accepting person, but when your local news media reports that seemingly half of the crimes commited in your area are the results of African-American males while such a demographic comprises about 4% of your region's population, it does help to fuel these negative stereotypes that African-American male youths are criminally-intentioned, even though I'm personally friends with two here on my campus who point to the contrary. In my area it's less of a racial prejudice as it is a geographical prejudice---many natives here in PA are blaming the crimes on newcomers from NY and NJ who are leading to a population explosion. I personally don't believe that African-Americans and/or transplants from NY/NJ are going to be more inclined to commit ill-will, but I will NOT stand by like a politically correct dolt and pretend that such prejudices do not exist when I hear them daily from neighbors, colleagues, fellow congregants at church, etc.
All Tom did is mention that there IS the existence of a negative stereotype against African-Americans and crime. That IS a fact because I can rattle off dozens of folks in my area (excluding myself) who believe this based upon what they see and hear in the local media. If you choose to ignore the presence of such a problem, then you're only part of the problem, are you not? When a problem needs to be addressed, it must first be recognized.
.Let's try not to be emotional here, but rather, let's speak with good solid information and data. If I am "full of it" then so be it. I will gladly bow in regret that I mentioned it, but if I am not stuffed like the proverbal Christmas Turkey, then the losers are the people such as the lady who needed to rent the property. Let's not be afraid of opening doors.
I just dont see how some lady with bad credit affects me or my family or Danny Glover or Al Green. Its just dumb to think that because of her you would assume I have bad credit.
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