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Old 07-21-2018, 09:11 PM
TKO
 
Location: On the Border
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They call the right fascist. Then they cannot even see the socialism they push, is fascism.


World Socialism, or National Socialism? The same goal. Fascism.
That's the most inarticulate and flat out ignorantly wrong post I've seen on CD. And that's sayin' something.

This conflagration of the two DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED extremist factions of their respective wings is foolishness. Unless you can just come up your own definitions, I suppose.

What color is the sky in your world?

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Old 07-21-2018, 10:16 PM
 
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50 cities Americans are abandoning





The 50 cities where the most people are moving away from can primarily be found in the Northeast, Midwest, and West Coast, particularly in states like Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, and New York. Among the cities where people are leaving in droves are places such as Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, New York, and Los Angeles.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/50-cities-americans-are-abandoning/ss-AAylK9V?ocid=spartanntp

Tax them to death and take their liberties... and you think they are going to stick around.
State taxes go for improvement to infrastructure, pay for public schools and help low income families among many other things. You use the roads...it's your responsibility to pay the upkeep.
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Old 07-21-2018, 10:26 PM
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Location: Dallas, TX
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State taxes go for improvement to infrastructure, pay for public schools and help low income families among many other things. You use the roads...it's your responsibility to pay the upkeep.
Among other things, if BB isn't an AnCap, he's awfully close to it. He's almost certainly a nihilist, given his Social Darwinist tendencies (as an aside, that view didn't come from Darwin. It came from Herbert Spencer, who was trying to justify the brutal world of mid-19th century capitalism. Later, of course, we realized that dog-eat-dog Laissez-faire capitalism creates more waste than a mixed system).

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That's the most inarticulate and flat out ignorantly wrong post I've seen on CD. And that's sayin' something.

This conflagration of the two DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED extremist factions of their respective wings is foolishness. Unless you can just come up your own definitions, I suppose.

What color is the sky in your world?
Yep, Socialism is about who owns the wealth-creating properties. It says nothing about tax rates. If the government believes in private ownership of wealth-creating properties (i.e., sources of personal income), then it's not socialism.

Fascism is about national or group supremacy as a core ideology of a nation - especially outright hatred of democracy, representative republics, etc., and especially a zero-sum "I win, you lose" attitude toward a disfavored group, and even in international relations. The individual has no rights under this system at all.


BB seems to be confusing reasonable amounts of freedom with 19th century frontier near-anarchism.
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Old 07-21-2018, 11:23 PM
 
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The constant narrative of the uneducated right claiming ppl are moving "due to liberal politics" is laughable and, quite frankly, bizarre. Really, it's just wishful thinking and misguided confirmation bias on their part.

Seems they don't want to attribute moves to the sunbelt to the real (common sense) combo of reasons: Milder weather and lower cost of living.

Were this not the case, we'd see migration to such places as Kansas, Wyoming, Utah, Oklahoma, Indiana, West Virginia and other red bastions. But we do not see that, do we?

Aside from the right wing nut jobs in CA who hate the state because of ppl who don't look or think like them and who are obsessed with trying to tow the conservative mythology of California being overrun by commies, moving to other states has nothing to do with "liberal policies", lol.


Not rocket science.
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Old 07-22-2018, 03:17 AM
 
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No, we're bringing SOCIALISM!!

Did that make your little cultist heart tremble?
Doubt that would happen, Bernie is an old fart and that idiot from NYC is, well an idiot promising free stuff and no way to pay for it.
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Old 07-22-2018, 05:45 AM
 
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50 cities Americans are abandoning





The 50 cities where the most people are moving away from can primarily be found in the Northeast, Midwest, and West Coast, particularly in states like Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, and New York. Among the cities where people are leaving in droves are places such as Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, New York, and Los Angeles.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/50-cities-americans-are-abandoning/ss-AAylK9V?ocid=spartanntp

Tax them to death and take their liberties... and you think they are going to stick around.

Nothing really new.


The Northeast at one time was FILLED with textile manufacturing places.


There are STILL many vacant buildings some 50 years later.


The "rust belt" has been around for a LONG time.
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Old 07-22-2018, 05:59 AM
 
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Most people are not moving away from certain places because of the local politics. They are relocating due to:

1. Better climate.
2. Better job market.
3. Lower cost of living.
4. Better quality of life - less traffic and crime, more amenities.
5. Following family or friends who have already moved somewhere else.

Looking at recent population trends, both red and blue locations are represented among declining and growing places. Some of the liberal places losing people are extremely expensive, and when their residents move they often help push their destinations towards the left as well. So it's not necessarily to conservatives' benefit if certain liberal areas are seeing a significant outflow of residents, because they are going to end up somewhere else ... and may bring their politics with them.
"3. Lower cost of living." Liberal policies are what drive up the CoL.

" and when their residents move they often help push their destinations towards the left as well."

Not in all cases.

S.C and N.C have been a couple of states with the BIGGEST growth rate.

S.C GAINED a seat in the House. N.C just missed gaining a seat.

S.C is solid red. All those dem northerners have NOT changed it.

NC's sate legislature was run by the DEMS for 100 YEARS. The repubs took control in 2010.

ALL those northerners certainly were NOT dems.

My NC county is, and has been one of the biggest growing counties for YEARS, most people moving in are form the north, and is SOLID RED.
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Old 07-22-2018, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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I fail to distinguish how refusing to let people build a large enough building on empty ground to meet demand and refusing to let people build a large enough building after demolishing a smaller, older building to meet demand are functionally different. Either way you end up with insufficient real estate to meet demand and prices zoom upward, which as a bonus to the direct housing costs takes cost of living as a whole up if and when it gets bad enough.
Its simple, it rarely happens like you claim in either case.


San Francisco buildings have to be built to a certain code because of earthquakes, it increases costs, but some people want to get around those regulations by partially tearing down building, but keeping enough of the original structure to claim that they are only "remodeling" instead of an entirely new buildings. Seems that pre 1978 (quick google search) are exempt from a lot of the newer regulations.

Its not a liberal thing, its a natural disaster thing.
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Old 07-22-2018, 06:05 AM
 
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Liberal policies dont restrict residential construction in the way that you are arguing. Cities are for the most part already developed. what you are actually talking about is demolishing old buildings/homes and building new ones.
Not all, or IMO MOST, people moving south do NOT live in cites, they live in the suburbs of these cities..

And YES, liberal polices drive up the CoL and CONSTRUCTION costs
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Old 07-22-2018, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Not all, or IMO MOST, people moving south do NOT live in cites, they live in the suburbs of these cities..
What exactly is your point ?

If you move to New Jersey so that you can work in NYC, that's your objective; not to live in New Jersey.

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And YES, liberal polices drive up the CoL and CONSTRUCTION costs
What is a "Liberal policy" ???

because my area is conservative and we have hurricane influenced building codes here.

Obviously they raise the cost of construction, but "liberals" didnt think them up, and liberals didnt make them law/code
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