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Old 07-26-2018, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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They call us "snowflakes" for not wanting to be bullied into submission, but they lose their minds as soon as a celebrity or popular fictional character is revealed to be gay. Look at all the butthurt going on right now over in the Anne of Green Gables thread.
The man who shaped a lot of my character and helped me to move beyond the shallow community in which I grew up was gay, but closeted; this was in the years 1955-1972. He lost his father at a relatively early age and was dominated by a Fundamentalist mother; no woman would ever be good enough for her son, and she was fated to live to the age of 90. So he did what he could from the perspective of a school administrator in small districts of a few hundred students, and my brother and I became his "substitute legatees".

He maintained a limited number of close relationships with men of his own age and station in life -- probably enjoyed some of his best times while getting his Masters and Doctorate in more cosmopolitan settings. As time passed, his family became more aware of his leanings, and the "live and let live" arrangement within his small, and somewhat provincial community grew stronger -- even as the recognition of the gay community drew more attention post-1965, but regrettably, he did not recognize this in return, and never completely reconciled his sexuality with his mother's dominance, even for 33 years after her passing, until his own at the age of 92.

He was much more of a man than a lot of the self-proclaimed "LGBT warriors" at this site.

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Old 07-27-2018, 12:39 AM
 
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Insanity is in the air.

" An organization for lesbians has launched a formal online blast at LGBT activists for calling them “transphobes” and they want the LGBT coalition to drop the “L.”
The lesbians argue they are women attracted to women and there’s no room for men who claim they are women.
Biology does make a difference, a big difference, they insist, and it’s not enough to simply “identify” as being of a particular gender."

https://www.wnd.com/2018/07/lesbians...ved-from-lgbt/


This is neither new nor news.


Going back to the 1980's or before many lesbians and or groups of such did not want anything to do with transgender "women". They were routinely blocked/banned from such private groups, bars, or whatever.


Rationale was that non-op trans were men (can't argue with that), and that the post-operative ones still more like men then biological women. The latter extended to natural masculine tendencies such as aggressiveness, assertiveness, dominance, and so forth.


Both non and pre operative trans were also seen as "mentally unstable", excessively flirtatious, and in general possessing many characteristics of borderline narcissistic personalities if not outright hysterics.


What is extremely odd is that a high percentage of post-operative trans end up with females as romantic and or whatever partners. In theory that would make them "lesbians", but that group does not see things that way.


Theory behind such behavior runs the gamut; but some suggest that historically *straight* males aren't interested in a woman who used to be (or still is far as they are concerned) a man. Meanwhile certain females aren't bothered.


It remains to be seen if all this new "equality" and "inclusiveness" extends to trans of either category finding male partners in greater numbers.


Oh, and in case anyone was wondering, gays (males) in large numbers historically haven't had much use for trans (of either category) either. That needle hasn't moved much either.
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Old 07-27-2018, 04:03 AM
 
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They call us "snowflakes" for not wanting to be bullied into submission, but they lose their minds as soon as a celebrity or popular fictional character is revealed to be gay. Look at all the butthurt going on right now over in the Anne of Green Gables thread.
Characters are gay in books only if the authors write them that way.

They can't be *revealed* 100 years later in a different historical context by a media -- television -- that didn't exist at the time by program writers who weren't even born yet. For the sole purpose of playing identity politics. The *choice* to rewrite the story is purely political.

That's the issue with Anne of Green Gables. Want a gay story set n PEI in the 1900s? Go write one.
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Old 07-27-2018, 07:03 AM
 
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This is neither new nor news.


Going back to the 1980's or before many lesbians and or groups of such did not want anything to do with transgender "women". They were routinely blocked/banned from such private groups, bars, or whatever.


Rationale was that non-op trans were men (can't argue with that), and that the post-operative ones still more like men then biological women. The latter extended to natural masculine tendencies such as aggressiveness, assertiveness, dominance, and so forth.


Both non and pre operative trans were also seen as "mentally unstable", excessively flirtatious, and in general possessing many characteristics of borderline narcissistic personalities if not outright hysterics.


What is extremely odd is that a high percentage of post-operative trans end up with females as romantic and or whatever partners. In theory that would make them "lesbians", but that group does not see things that way.


Theory behind such behavior runs the gamut; but some suggest that historically *straight* males aren't interested in a woman who used to be (or still is far as they are concerned) a man. Meanwhile certain females aren't bothered.


It remains to be seen if all this new "equality" and "inclusiveness" extends to trans of either category finding male partners in greater numbers.


Oh, and in case anyone was wondering, gays (males) in large numbers historically haven't had much use for trans (of either category) either. That needle hasn't moved much either.
I suspect that as cross-dressing men and men who've had surgery make more and more demands of people, and, specifically of women, there will be a point where more gays reject "transgenderism."
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Old 10-13-2018, 10:08 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Insanity is in the air.

" An organization for lesbians has launched a formal online blast at LGBT activists for calling them “transphobes” and they want the LGBT coalition to drop the “L.”
The lesbians argue they are women attracted to women and there’s no room for men who claim they are women.
Biology does make a difference, a big difference, they insist, and it’s not enough to simply “identify” as being of a particular gender."

https://www.wnd.com/2018/07/lesbians...ved-from-lgbt/
Modern liberalism gone nuts.Typical causes for them are "climate change" (link) and see Who is Funding Extravagant "Climate Change" Research and Entertainment? and the rights to "gender fluidity," see Do you think "Gender Fluidity" is a real thing?

There were reasons Trump was elected; most ordinary people don't buy this crazy nonsense.
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Old 05-05-2019, 01:26 PM
 
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Insanity is in the air.

" An organization for lesbians has launched a formal online blast at LGBT activists for calling them “transphobes” and they want the LGBT coalition to drop the “L.”
The lesbians argue they are women attracted to women and there’s no room for men who claim they are women.
Biology does make a difference, a big difference, they insist, and it’s not enough to simply “identify” as being of a particular gender."

https://www.wnd.com/2018/07/lesbians...ved-from-lgbt/

I don't think there is any sort of coalition, just like there is not agenda. I think this pertains mostly to the thought police, and the politically correct media.
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Old 05-05-2019, 01:28 PM
 
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It's perfectly understandable. Lesbians prefer the company of other women. They don't want biological men coming to their social events as women and hitting on them. And I don't imagine butch lesbians relish having to compete with actual men for dominance.

Unless, its to exploit, and use their restrooms.
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Old 05-05-2019, 01:39 PM
 
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Wow, that was wordy but three things.

First, I've heard of similar things at the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michig...Music_Festival .

Secondly, the thing or at least part of it, is that those who didn't grow up female don't know the oppression of being female.

There are a lot of oppressive things about being male to, believe it or not. Not being entitled to the same emotional freedom as females, having your level of traditional masculinity being the litmus test of how respected you are as a person, keeping your emotions in check, always showing confidence, making the decisions quickly. Boys learn early on, displaying any kind of vulnerability, showing emotions, equates to weakness and failure. For a male to be feminine, is considered one of the worst things by almost every society in the world. This post however, is not about that, and I will tell you first hand, that how you are treated as a feminine homosexual male in society is abhorrent--those of who fit in this category know all about oppression.
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Old 05-05-2019, 02:29 PM
 
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Tell that to all the victims of the HIV/AIDS crisis...

You seem to have a lot to learn, and justify your hostility towards gay people through incorrect facts. You're implying that homosexual men were not victims of the AIDS crisis, but were in fact the culprits. Your ignorance is rather amazing. This disease started in Africa, as SIV in monkeys, then transposed to humans mainly to due to the adaptability of viruses through their ability to evolve quickly. Thanks to immigration, the disease was spread throughout the world. During the late 70's people also donated blood quite freely, and were paid for their donation, blood was all mixed together for factor. IV drug users in the inner cities were chief donators. At the time there was also a hepatitis vaccine that was marketed to certain communities, that was made from plasma, it is not anymore. These vaccines had tainted blood.



At the beginning of the AIDS crisis, the disease had no name, and the virus had not been isolated and identified. In reality, the gay male community was among the original victims, and had no benefit of any kind of education on a brand new disease. Because the role of men in sex is to transmit semen, homosexual men were particularly vulnerable. Globally, however, AIDS/HIV is still primarily a heterosexual diseases


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Dykes are like the idealized version of a man. Dykes are emotionally sensitive men who aren't sex-obsessed.

Where do you get this from? You know a lot of "dykes"? Emotionally sensitive? Really? How about angry, inconsiderate narcissists? They are not men, and I'll take a biological male any day over any "dyke" for compassion and understanding. Also, younger "dykes" do have a lot more sex than you think. Social media has made that accessibly easier. You seem to have a real hatred of men, heterosexual or homosexual. Sounds like you've known some bad ones.


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Historically... the HIV/AIDS starting with a gay Airline steward and spread quickly in the gay community because of casual gay sex. And they it jumped to women because of the bi-sexual men.

And how natural is gay anal sex?

Why don't you ask any of the numerous heterosexual couples that engage anal sex the same thing? Particularly since females seem to have another available orifice that is quite conveniently located, that can be used. Why did nature put an abundance of nerve endings against the anterior wall of the rectum in human males connected to the prostate? Why can some men, heterosexual or homosexual climax from such stimulation? The whole gay Airline steward theory is now old, and has been debunked. This virus was spreading regardless. There are up to date youtube videos that illustrate this.


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Aids crisis in San Francisco--------

For those too young or with selective memories, it dominated the nightly world news.

There were pictures of fat middle aged gays, locked arm in arm with their gay lover, participating in a march demanding a cure for AIDS.

Imagine if a group of men, all puffing on cigarettes, would participate in a march demanding
a cure for lung cancer.

They would have been ridiculed and told to quit their filthy lifestyle habit ( smoking)

Apparently, you are the one with a selective memory, or succumbed to the hateful misguided information perpetuated by the early media that was unaware for awhile. At the core of AIDS activism was the concern that the Reagan/Bush Sr administration refused to to anything about this disease, as the numbers of people contracting the virus continued to climb. Activists even told politicians that this disease would eventually spread into other communities, but many, including Margaret Heckler, the secretary of HHS said that was non-sense, and it would not spread. As a result, the entire educational system and public awareness campaign was thrown on the backs of homosexual men, and they did a startlingly good job particularly since there was little funding. The templet used by organizations such as ACT UP would later by "stolen" by feminist organizations that use similar campaign strategies, such as the pink ribbon campaign to fight breast cancer. It also should be mentioned that the population of MSM (men who have sex with men) is considered to be much higher than most heterosexuals believe, or want to believe. Social media has proven that.


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Again... historically... the AIDS epidemic started in the gay community.

Otherwise, there have also been articles about the problem with closeted gay and bi-sexual black males giving AIDS to their female partners. Being gay or bi-sexual is not accepted in cultures that are very machismo.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/bmsm.html
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