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Old 07-25-2018, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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“We’re going to have insurance for everybody, there was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”
Donald J. Trump

I was skeptical but hopeful, and it did indeed make me furious how he openly betrayed that promise by being willing to sign literally ANYTHING the Republicans put before him on health care.

The Republicans have a hook into that guy, his populist message went down the drain when he started to take donations for his campaign (which he continually said he doesn't do, until he did). He actually had the nerve to put Alex Azar on his cabinet in charge of Health and Human Services. Trump is a man for sale to the highest bidder.
Sounds like politicians in general.
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Old 07-25-2018, 10:29 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Yes...socialism is in the name but had a much different meaning. The Bazis were actually a far right wing party. Much of their support, in fact, came from the military and many of the party's top leadership and most prominent members were former military men...Hitler, Goering, Ludendorf, etc included.
There was nothing leftist about the Nazi Party.
Where did Castro's support come from? Chairman Mao's? Etc.? The military. Support from the military does not necessarily indicate a right-wing regime. Collectivism indicates a left-wing regime. Hitler and the Nazis were collectivists, subjugating the individual to the benefit of the collective society.
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Old 07-25-2018, 10:32 AM
 
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Our opposition to hate speech makes us the moral equivalent of Hitler?
Opposition to "hate speech," or any other expression of free speech with which one disagrees, isn't the problem. It's the violence the left uses to do so. That's what makes it fascist.
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Old 07-25-2018, 12:32 PM
 
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Yes. They have candidates running as Nazis. See: Illinois.



It's Democratic socialism - not Venezuela. There's a difference.
Do Republicans openly embrace Nazi candidates like Democrats embracing socialist candidates?

Please enlighten us on the difference between democratic socialism and socialism.
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:00 PM
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Location: On the Border
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Do Republicans openly embrace Nazi candidates like Democrats embracing socialist candidates?

Please enlighten us on the difference between democratic socialism and socialism.
They openly endorse fascists if not Nazis. The left openly endorses "democratic" socialism. Not full on authoritarian communism. Same difference.

And it's just a portion of each sides more reactionary and radical wing that really support either.

Sweden vs. USSR
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Old 07-25-2018, 01:27 PM
 
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I don't agree with anyone promoting violence !!!!
Too late. The left already commits violence against anything in opposition to what they believe. They're fascists. Plain and simple. It's their way, or violence. And it's extremely ugly. The American people have noticed. That's why #WalkAway is continuing to grow, exponentially.
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Old 07-25-2018, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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The word socialism gets thrown around pretty loosely here. There really isn't true socialism in Europe and simply having nationalized health care doesn't make you socialist. Think property sharing and no individual ownership of anything.. that's more along the lines of actual socialism.
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Old 07-26-2018, 02:14 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Why do the Democrats have the audacity to criticize Nazism while openly embracing socialism?

Do they not know socialism is at least 10 times worse than Nazism?

Like giving farmers $12B when your own administration screws them over? Funny, doesn't sound like the Dems.
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