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Old 07-24-2018, 08:26 AM
 
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The way people are responding to the OP is how I feel about every single thread in this forum. At least once in a while others can see how wrong and confused people expressing their strong opinion are. With very few comments worth reading this sorry state of ignorance in overwhelming.
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Old 07-24-2018, 08:37 AM
 
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Under a democracy if you have 9 other neighbors and you that make ten people. If your neighbors want to use your bike they put it up for a vote. If 6 people vote you have to share your bike then you HAVE to share your bike.

Except that would be a taking of property under eminent domain, which means you would be compensated in cash equal to the value of the bike taken. Prior to that the government would figure it's a lot cheaper to just buy a new bike from the marketplace than to pay lawyers to pursue your ratty old bike in court, so your example would never happen.
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Old 07-24-2018, 08:44 AM
 
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You mean congress has to actually do their job rather than allowing the POTUS to dictate. You're right, we don't live in a free country. My bad ...
Congress hasn't been doing their job for at least the last decade if not more, this isn't a Trump thing.
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Old 07-24-2018, 09:30 AM
 
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Congress hasn't been doing their job for at least the last decade if not more, this isn't a Trump thing.
More of a Tea Party problem.
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Old 07-24-2018, 10:27 AM
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Location: North Pacific
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You mean congress has to actually do their job rather than allowing the POTUS to dictate. You're right, we don't live in a free country. My bad ...
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Congress hasn't been doing their job for at least the last decade if not more, this isn't a Trump thing.
Did I say it was?
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Old 07-24-2018, 10:31 AM
 
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You mean congress has to actually do their job rather than allowing the POTUS to dictate. You're right, we don't live in a free country. My bad ...
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Congress hasn't been doing their job for at least the last decade if not more, this isn't a Trump thing.
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Did I say it was?
Well when you say "allowing the POTUS to dictate" it kind of implies such a thing.
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Old 07-24-2018, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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The electoral college means that someone has 1.1 votes, while another has 0.9 votes -the bike still goes to the majority, just the definition of majority becomes more flexible.

It's a system that seeks to disempower the individual.
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Old 07-24-2018, 12:07 PM
 
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The electoral college means that someone has 1.1 votes, while another has 0.9 votes -the bike still goes to the majority, just the definition of majority becomes more flexible.

It's a system that seeks to disempower the individual.
Not true. It was designed to make for a more balanced voting process that takes into account the popular vote of the individuals as well as the size of a state so that both individuals AND states get equally represented in the voting process. Its not to marginalize, but rather to make it more fair since we are a republic made up of states, that are made up of individuals.
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Old 07-24-2018, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Not true. It was designed to make for a more balanced voting process that takes into account the popular vote of the individuals as well as the size of a state so that both individuals AND states get equally represented in the voting process. Its not to marginalize, but rather to make it more fair since we are a republic made up of states, that are made up of individuals.
The bottom line is individual power is weakened/strengthened to make the system workable.

The OP talks about individual freedoms, but as I see it, the EC makes individual voting power, a fluid concept..

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Old 07-24-2018, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Trump wants to use the socialist CCC to help farmers who have been hurt by his tariffs.

The irony of it all.
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